Wow! Principle 2nd Violin Position Open in the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra!
I follow The Violin Channel on Facebook and there is an opening for principle 2nd violin in the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra. Deadline for applications is July 29th, 2018. I hope someone here applies, and reports back their experiences at each step of the process. It's something I've always wanted to know about!
The only applications that will be taken seriously are from people who are already holding a comparable position in a respected professional orchestra. This is not an entry-level job.
Oh no! I personally don't want to get a job in a professional orchestra, lol! I was hoping someone else would go for it and report back here, preferably in a blog about how it all went.
I'm reading the link you've posted and it is so informative! Thank you so much!
My point is that a random v.commer “going for” the IPO opening with the intent of blogging about the process would have just one very short blog entry consisting of “I was not invited to the audition.”
That makes me wonder what the demographics are of Violin.com members. I know that the principle 2nd violin position can only be open to people who already have experience in professional orchestra, because the principle 2nd violin is the leader of their section with a lot of responsibilities. I wonder how many then of Violin.com members would actually qualify regardless of whether they want to audition or not.
Also, there may be those who are well qualified who would welcome an opportunity to work and live in Israel.
And there are those that might not want to participate in the cultural sphere of an ongoing apartheid colonial project
“ I wonder how many then of Violin.com members would actually qualify regardless of whether they want to audition or not.”
Sometimes Ray Chen comments here. He'd probably have a shot. I'll bet even he would prepare like the devil for it, if he truly wanted the job. The Israeli Phil is not exactly a second-rate band, and Principal 2nd is a critical chair. I'll bet the person they hire is not too far from Ray in terms of chops and would likely have a few notches more in terms of experience.
So they are basically only taking auditions from people who are at least section players in full-year orchestras?
Nathan Coles (Associate CM of LA Phil ) sometimes comments here. He is competitive!
Jason, I don't know, but why would they do otherwise? What job position places no value on the applicants experience? Does a jury want to go through the time and trauma of listening to 100's of applicants play, or might they want to narrow it down? And a leadership position like principle second is not just about playing skills.
I went further into to reading about that position directly at the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra website.
I guess this principle 2nd violin position would be perfect for those who are already in 2nd violin in their own professional orchestras whose principle 2nd violin is in no hurry to leave. They may see this opening as a great opportunity to move up in rank regardless of where in the world this is.
Paul Deck - I agree that the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra (IPO) is no 2nd rate band. Zubin Mehta is IPO's music director and he only leads the most prestigious orchestras: Montreal Symphony Orchestra, Los Angeles Philharmonic, New York Philharmonic, and now Israel Philharmonic Orchestra.
A substitute position is a temporary one, where a player is hired as needed to fill the ranks when there are not enough full-time members of the ensemble available for whatever reason. Sub positions are not a guarantee for future hiring, although in some groups players have clocked in quite a bit of experience as sub players before taking an audition and winning an open position. This experience can help to understand the culture and expectations of an orchestra and the conductor, the sort of intangible things that might make a small difference.
"What I'm taking away from all this is that no one was chosen to be principle 2nd violin from the 2nd violin section and that's why they are auditioning from the outside"
When universities hire into positions like Dean, Provost, and President, very often there are both inside and outside candidates.
In many organizations, there may already be an internal person for the position, but they will nonetheless go through the motion of open search to be in compliance with external regulations and/or expectations. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some of that in the orchestra audition circuit.
Now that Israel has declared that it is a Jewish nation, I suspect they are looking for Jewish musicians only.
The opposite could be true also David.The audition committee is aware that someone wants the job within the orchestra but go international just to keep their options open.If the player in the orchestra is interested they can show up at the audition and compete along side the international candidates.I just went through this situation...
What's the big deal about a vacancy in the Israel Philharmonic? They have occasional vacancies, as do orchestras all over the world.
Scott, I think the OP was hoping that someone who comments regularly on this site might apply for the position and convey back their experiences.
Andrew Hsieh - I read the description again and now that you point some things out, I think you're right. The description is for "substitute" so it probably means IPO already picked out a permanent principle 2nd violinist and as Gene Wie had described substitute, this position that has the audition is to fill in for when the permanent one is unavailable.
No, the person who fills in for a missing principal 2nd is their stand-partner, the associate principal 2nd. Some orchestras will also have an assistant principal 2nd (the 3rd chair of the 2nd violin section).
But this is a substitute for principle 2nd violinist? If it was just to fill in for section violinist, wouldn't they post auditions for just 2nd violinist? This is confusing.
You're confused. That's not at all what they're auditioning for.
Okay, spelling noted. But what does the substitute 2nd violin (principal) do then? They're not tutti musicians that sit in for other tutti musicians, right?
This could be a temporary principal 2nd position for a 1-year period. Either their current principal 2nd is unavailable for a full year, or they've selected one who will not be able to join the orchestra until 2020. That would be a long enough time that they might audition for the seat instead of having the associate principal fill in all year.
I see. That would make more sense!
One thing is for certain, if you get the position and you're not Jewish, you won't have the right to self determination, that right is reserved only for Jews.
And if you were, you also would have the right to take over other peoples properties and lives, namely Palestinians'. As they've always given themselves the rights since 1948. The newly.passed apartheid law 'légalises' historic Israeli racism, colonisation and discrimination. Before anyone, Jewish or Otherwise, thinks of contributing to the ongoing dispossesion of the Palestinians, I urge them to look into this deeper and know what is happening on ground.
I think it would be better if we didn't argue politics here.
I beg to disagree. Encouraging people to think twice about contributing to the cultural institutions of a state performing ongoing ethnic cleansing of its indigeneous people and enforcing an apartheid state of rule over the remaining is not 'politics'. You mean to say it is a politically divisive issue, that is something else.
Tammuz, I find what you wrote to be very offensive.
I don't wish to offend Andrew and nothing I said was offensive to your person. I cannot help it if you do not know what's happening there. I've seen and heard enough horrors (including the willful killing of young children, even now in Gaza) from that racist colony state that I feel compelled to say something when someone gives publicity, knowingly or unknowingly, to this state. Whether you wish to believe me or not is up to you. Ive said my part.
Laurie, can you please remove Tammuz’s posts?
Yeah, I only posted that news about the JOB POSITION. Not any political whatever. Let's just stick to that.
Okay how about if we don't talk about this particular "politically divisive issue" on the grounds that it's just too far off topic. A European could just as well say that they hope nobody would play in any American orchestras because of various US laws and policies that seem to them inappropriate.
OK Paul, one last link for the curious and I'll find something else to do : check her blog, lots of background info
I'm posting to redirect the thread back to the actual point, that of an audition opportunity to 2nd violin (principal). Even though it is only a substitute position, I think it's still a great opportunity that if won, would look great on your CV. Wouldn't experience like this help for the next opportunity that may be more permanent?
Any v.com members who are qualified for such a job almost certainly already know about the opening if they are actively taking auditions. The vast majority of v.com members would be wasting the IPO's time (and their own) even just to send a resume.
This topic is pretty silly, in that seems to expect that auditioning musicians should blog about this really tough process for the amusement of people who don't even know how to spell 'principal'.
Oh my gosh just drop the political crap already! Also if you think this thread is silly, you're free to skip it. Triggered people aren't forced to read it, lol!
Mary Ellen Goree - Thanks for the links! I will look into them!
The London Philharmonic Orchestra also currently has a bunch of vacancies. I'm tempted to follow something along the lines of the audition challenge that Nathan Cole organised a while back.
Israel P O is major league. No one has yet mentioned it's origin, which is relevant. Bronislav Huberman saw what was coming in 1930's Germany, recruited the best Jewish musicians in Germany and East Europe to move to Tel Aviv, Palestine, to form an orchestra. He is credited with rescuing 1,000 Jews from the Holocaust (that's the Greek word for burnt offering). Israel exists as a Jewish refugee state for the following historical reasons: legal immigration from East Europe to Ottoman Palestine before 1914, Balfour declaration, Ottoman Empire being on the loosing side of WW 1, League of Nations declaration, post-WW2 United Nations declaration, and, Not loosing the wars of 1948, 1967, etc.
Yeah, a legalized apartheid regime!!
Ok. With the onset of hasbara (pro Israel propoganda) , see joel post above, I reserve the right to respond and correct. If we're going to allows false propaganda to elicit sympathy for an entity committing ethnic cleansing and colonizing other peoples homes, then this deserves a response.
This discussion belongs on a different forum
So does misinformation and hasbara and there was a lot of that in your past post (pertaining to how Israel came to be), Joel.
... like to chat about music, technique, instruments? Maybe rosins or shoulder rest pros&cons? Anybody...?
Tammuz, I understand and respect your view. I think Joel’s main point was that the IPO was and is a first rate orchestra. I recall reading as a child that the IPO started as an orchestra of former concert masters ( of various orchestras in Europe). Can I respectfully ask that we don’t turn v.com into a political forum?
I am finding that parts of this discussion are difficult, if not downright unpleasant, to read.
I can't help chiming in.
Israeli Zionist treatment of the native Palestinian population is pretty downright unpleasant to read about, yes!!
All, - I apologize for reacting to a provocation. No more comments from me.
Joel Quivey: Didn't know that was why IPO was formed. Interesting!
"I recall reading as a child that the IPO started as an orchestra of former concert masters ( of various orchestras in Europe)."
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