Anyone tried the new perpetual strings yet? I'm tempted to try a pair, but haven't seen anything comparing their tone to other options.
Never heard of em
I haven't heard about "perpetual strings" either. When I called up that Pirastro page on my PC just now all I got was an on-screen message from the website saying, "Please turn back to portrait mode", and in German, "Bitte zurück in hochformat drehen". No further instructions followed that baffling message, and I was unable to progress to information about the strings, or anything else on the Pirastro wesite.
Shar is selling them now but they haven't updated their string chart to include them yet
We talked about them some weeks ago. Since then I have seen them in thestringzone website, where they seem to run out of stock as soon as they receive them, but nobody has yet made any review. It's too soon for a useful one, IMO. By their tension they probably will compete with their own Evahs (normal or Gold), and what people coming from Evahs will expect is longer longevity and, if that is delivered, in exchange of what, if anything. And it's too soon for that.
I received a sample from Pirastro in Germany at their booth at the Frankfurt messe in April where they first officially introduced them. I believe it is the first string originally released as a cello string then to have a violin version!
The perpetual comes with a choice of 2 different A's: Aluminum on synthetic or chrome on steel. Which one did you try?
Vadim Repin now seems to be using them to some degree. Not that you need to use what he-or anyone else-does.
The online supplier thestringzone.co.uk has the Perpetuals in stock, the set being priced from £82.92, and the chromesteel A set £87.80. TSZ's price for the E is £12.24. These prices include VAT & free delivery in the UK, but the VAT component is removed at checkout for non-EU orders.
I tried aluminum A, which is standard to the set.
I sent them an inquiry to see if/when they'll be coming out with a set for viola. Haven't heard back from them yet.
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A good friend has just talked to a dealer in Vienna who has tried several demo sets on his violins. His response was that they are fantastic on some, giving them an unbeatable sound and power while on some others they do not have the same effect. I have also learned that although they are about the same tension as the EP, due to a more flexible core material they feel as if their tension is lower.
Not available for viola. My response from Pirastro:
My guess is that "At this stage" is code for, "pencilled in on our to-do list".
Its a really comfy strings to play with.
I have a set coming from Pirastro to test. I paid 60 euros+bank transfer commission, but I get the metal A and the stark E on top for this price.
Perpetual is very nice. The sound is very focused, more so than the Evah's. Volume is the exact same as Evahs. Open G is on the darker side, but near the Evah Green. Finger harmonics very responsive. Open strings resonate more on the magical notes, GDAE. I didn't install the platinum E. I use the 27g steel Goldbrokat E. Someone mentioned a thinner diameter. I haven't compared it side-by-side, but I make fewer double stop errors on the Tchaikovsky violin concerto. I was dumbfounded at the time. Why am I playing these right all the sudden? I think my fat fingers prefer the thin Perpetuals.
I just bought a set, my curiosity got to me. I'll put them on when my Dominants wear out
Keep the reviews coming, I am also curious a lot ;)
Tom - you should try the platinum E that comes with the set. It is the same as the pirazzi platinum E, and for my setup it improved the other three strings.
Have to modify my initial impression. When I took off the old Evahs and put on new Perpetual, the Perpetual was more focused (not surprisingly). I put new Evah's on, (to make it a legit comparison) and there was minimal increase in focus. About the same, actually. The tone of the Evah Green was a little more pleasant to listen to, but I like the thinner diameter of the Perpetual. The bow doesn't bounce as easily, however. I personally like the overall quality of Thomastik PI more. Volume with more rounded tone. I get a slight metallic hiss from the Evah and Perpetual.
My findings are the same as Tom Supakorndej in his initial post. I put them on the Jacquot and it gave it more brilliance which I like but also a bit of metallic sound which I hope goes away after some use. The responsiveness and articulation are much improved. I'm a Pirastro kind of guy and I will be using the Perpetual from now on. I can't wait to try them on the Vuillaume when it comes out of hibernation this winter. I sense they are going to be perfect for it, even better than on the Jacquot.
I could not resist any longer to put them on and after a couple of hours I really enjoy the neutral clear sound. I played a couple of EP Gold sets before on my violin.
New Coke. (Remember Josta?)
I just tried a Perpetual G. So far, I'd say it's the most "focused" string I have ever tried. Of course, some will like this, and some will not.
Grip on the silver D seems to be fine. The Pirastro rep may have said something to me about changing the surface finish to get better grip on that string, but we got into such a lengthy and involved discussion about various strings, that I don't remember for sure. LOL
With the very hefty price tag, the durability would be a most important consideration. It seems like folks above, for the most part, like the sound and play ability of them. How long would they retain their sparkle and actually last?
The Perpetual A string:
David, looking forward to your assessment of the E string. I've already tried this set and like it very much, having come from Evah greens. I wasn't crazy about the Evah Platinum E, and I believe the Perpetual is the same E...although it seems to match better with Perpetuals, according to my ears. The search for the best E string is still a source of 'perpetual' uncertainty, unfortunately...;)
When you say "focused", David, do you mean there's a lack of complexity and richness, or just that there's a particularly overwhelming center core to the sound?
Lydia, I wouldn't describe it as a lack of complexity or richness, but different people may see it different ways. Unfortunately, violin sound assessments don't have an agreed-on set of definitions or terminology, so we just stumble along as best we can. What I can say is that someone who prefers Obligatos, probably wouldn't like the Perpetuals at all. I don't happen to be in that camp, but as always, some will depend on the fiddle. Obligatos can be useful for knocking down an obnoxiously bright fiddle, but I find them too "fuzzy" sounding and responding for general use.
The Perpetual platinum E:
David, I assume this is the Perpetual default E, medium, that comes with the set. Have you tried the 'heavy' version too?
I tried both. As I mentioned earlier, one was an Evah and one was a Perpetual, but I was told by Pirastro that they are exactly the same E, aside from differences in the packages they come in, and the colors of the silking at the ends of the string.
I decided to give this string time before I comment on it further. That metallic hissing quality to these strings is still there, and it's been a week something. It's reduced, for sure, from when I first put it on, but it's still here. Just a bit. You can really hear that metallic quality on the youtube video linked above. Perhaps it'll go away fully some day. If not, these strings may not be suitable for recording.
how does the price of Perpetuals compare to Evah greens??
This is the 4th day I have them on and the metallic sound went completely away by day 3. I like the core and the brilliance and intend to keep on using them. My Jacquot needs adjustment with these strings and I'll do it soon. We compared it today at the rehearsal with a Francesco Lazzaretti 1880 violin which previously was on par with the Jacquot, now the Jacquot came out on top by a long shot regarding core and brilliance, also colours. I intend to be using them on the Vuillaume this winter and I'm sure they will be the perfect strings for it. I only hope they last longer than the Evah's. The owner of the Lazzaretti was so sure his violin would win, that he proposed the winner takes both violins. I accepted, but let him off in the end.
Lydia, it sounds like the Perpetuals might be "over-the-top" for you. If you wanted to try them without tying up much money, I'd suggest ordering just the G, seeing how that goes, and go from there. Often, I will put on just the G of a brand I want to try, and get enough information from that to decide whether I think the rest of the set is worth trying. With some strings, I've been disappointed enough in the G, that I won't even bother trying the rest of the set, even if they are sitting right there on the bench.
One other thing I've noticed about the Perpetuals:
One of my local shops has a "library" of tester strings, so I'm considering paying a visit to see if they've got Perpetuals yet.
Just as a side note, because it can be confusing-the Perpetual standard Platinum E is the same as the "Weich" EP Green Platinum E. Most people seem to have tried the Medium EP Platinum E, which is rather "stark". One should try both gauges, whether EP or Perpetual, to form an opinion, IMHO.
Lyndon, its $106 full price. Concord Music always has the Perpetual set for 15% off, but you're required to buy the set. Shar just had a flash sale for 25% off, so I stocked up with a few sets, minus E. I don't like the metallic hiss, but I can deal with it. Maybe it's the weather, but I'm having a problem with lots of other strings brands. The D and A strings just died. Hard time creating sound. Perhaps a 40% decrease in volume, even with brand new strings. (happened on Evah gold, Opal Titan, PI, Obligato. went away with perpetual)
The Platinum E is good, with a full and brilliant sound-the Goldbrokat emphasizes the brightest frequencies, and it also "helps" gut strings overall, IME. But I feel the EP/Perpetual Platinum E should at least be tried, as it's not as absurdly priced as its "pioneering" competitor from the Pi set (I know many of you love it but that price...)
I've been pairing the PI ADG with the Pirastro EP platinum E lately, because the EP string is half the price of the PI platinum E. They mix pretty well on my Derazey. I'm looking forward to taking the Perpetual set for a test drive to see how they compare.
Any comparisons of Perpetual vs. Rondo?
The bright and slightly metallic touch finally provided me an excuse .. eh .. reason to try a supple bespoke rosin ;)
LOL. My violin always sounds much better when I'm wearing my "lucky socks". ;-)
That reads as if you take luxury rosin claims with a grain of salt, David... ?
I'm selling rosin infused with unicorn tusk and dragon heartstrings. $500 per cake (because hey, unicorns are rare). Guaranteed to make your violin sound "like a Strad".
I have now used the Perpetual strings (normal set) around 3 weeks. Clear, fast response. Bright tone. Easy to play pp and ff. Even set. So far I get around: ( “strong” downstroke, one armlength from the phone) e: 83dB, a: 85dB, D: 84dB, G: 85dB. On my violin the PI strings are a little bit darker, more "noble" / “round”. I like the Perpetual e-string very much, a “non whistler” string. So when I use PI strings I will use medium Perpetual e-string ( or Pirazzi platinum e-string, medium. Same string ) That one for PI is far too strong for my violin, it will choke the tone. My son (15 years old) says: “Best string set so far”. He has tried “all” well known string sets. Then he said: "However - I have found out if I can play louder now it's not because of the strings – or my violin or bow- it´s because of me! I think I have learnt how to play like a soloist. Somebody here wrote before: if you can't play loud with for example Dominant strings, you won´t play much louder with any other strings. So you must not look into strings too much if you want to play louder.
It is true that the two options have the same gauges for Perpetual and Evah Pirazzi. The confusion is in the nomenclature used. For Perpetual the 26 gauge is "medium" and 26.7 is "stark". For Evah 26.7 is called "medium" and 26 is "weich". This is also evident from the peg end colouring: As for many other Pirastro strings the medium is a single colour, weich has a pink ring and stark has a light green ring. So the same gauge of the same string is colour coded differently depending on the brand.
Update: Pirastro Ephemeral strings,sorry I mean Perpetual. (Ephemeral means: lasting for only short time)
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