Opinion about this Yita violin
Hi I have been seeing a lot of consistant positive feedbacks on Yita violins floating around and I have decided to give it a try looking for a decent violin with a low price tag.
I find this one really beautiful... but the description kind of doesnt convince me too much: "loud and open" where others are described as "mature", "deep" "quick responding"...
I wonder if the description ever really fits what it is? Or its just an ornament they add to the advert?
And has anyone bought from the seller: Capitalmusic2008?
Thanks for letting me know what you think!
It is beautiful. I wish I hadn't just had to fix a broken tooth, otherwise I might try for it just for the beauty aspect! ;)
I don't know if this is completely true, but my guess would be the quality of workmanship, or lack thereof, that went into the defective fittings would be commensurate with the quality of workmanship, or lack thereof, that went into the body of the violin, in fact being good at fittings requires less talent than being good at making the violin body itself IMHO. I guess you get what you pay for, if even that???
I'm with Fox on this. Yitas can be surprisingly great for the price, but only if you are capable of doing your own setup work. The nut may be too high, the bridge too high, soundpost will need to be adjusted and a new set of strings definitely.
Lyndon, I highly suspect that the people who make the violins are not the same who make the fittings and that the ones who do the setup are also different people. It has the feel of many cooks stirring the pot, kind of thing, to me. The quality of the different parts of the whole varies way too much to be all from the same people, in my humble opinion.
Yeah different people, but the same boss, the same low standards, the same crappy workmanship.
Hm, its a $200 Maggini. I honestly dont see where to get better craftmanship for this price.
The fitting of th bridge is not even right on the marketing picture
Lyndon, have you ever personally tested a yita violin?
If I had the money to spare I would buy it to practice making more bridges and setting soundposts and whatever else it might need done (the nut is probably way high). In the end when I'd be done with it, it might sound good, or might be just pretty. ;)
...actually I wouldn't try to buy /this one/ if Shaheen is interested, because that would be a jerk move on my part. But yeah, I don't have a Maggini model yet and this one is really pretty.
Actually the makers of $200 violins would not be expected to be expert at anything, except perhaps generating hype for their product on the internet.
Thanks fox for being considerate ;) Its on auction with no bids as yet, im hoping to get it.
The bids always come in at the last moment. Truly in the last minute the price will spike. Set YOUR price that YOU are comfortable with and don't go chasing it any higher than that.
When I bought a Viola from yitamusic. The viola itself was an okay instrument, but luthiers criticized its setup, and I agreed to some extent. Ill fitted pegs in particular I noticed very much. The bridge wasn't cut too well, I sold it off at 90% of the investment. Bitter loss.
I bought two or tree Yata violins.
A generic Markneukirchen Strad label violin from around 1900 is usually a better sounding violin than these cheap Chinese violins like Yita. They can easily be bought for $150 on ebay, but you will need some set up like bridge and soundpost, pegs are often OK. This sounds like a risk but you have to do the same amount of costly setup on your Yita violin to get it to play properly, so the generic Strad label violin can actually be cheaper to get a playing instrument. Maybe $150 cost and $200 for bridge, soundpost, good strings, level fingerboard etc, but remember the Yita may well have more costly things wrong with its set up than the generic antique Strad label violin.
And we all know these $150 antique strads have been well cared for for lo these many years....
An antique violin that's survived to this point has been at least good enough that people have bothered to keep it around. They may be junk but at least they were treasured junk.
How long do you need to save up 1,000? If you can do that in a few months, it would probably be best to do that and then find a better student violin than these.
Shaheen, I wouldn't trust them to cut the 'upgrade' bridge for it. I would much rather have that done by a local luthier I trusted - or do it myself now that can do that. ;)
Yita prices have been going up lately, and it doesn't seem to correspond to the currency exchange. I wouldn't put much faith in the description, as English and web site maintenance apparently aren't their strengths, and they seem to be copying and pasting many of the descriptions.
In the manufacturing process they probably use specialized fixtures, jigs, and CNC machinery. So even a lowered skilled worker can manage to get the box assembled and probably fairly competently most of the time. The difficulty is finding skilled craftspeople, to work at a low salary, to properly install the sound post, strings, bridge, etc. They could very well have no experience playing the violin at all. Also since they are being sold at rock bottom prices, they are budgeting for the lowest price strings and fittings they can find.
In China it's cheaper and easier to simply have a human carve out the wood. Plenty of videos of Chinese violin workshops on YouTube to see how it's done.
So, did you get it? :)
yes I did :) won the auction an hour ago... i'm still deciding on whether to do the add ons such as bridge, strings and bow since there aren't any luthiers here
If you don't already have a bow it might be worth it to tack the bow on, just to have one.
I just a cheap bow.. do any on the add on option seem decent?
Bow's are pretty personal.
Congratulations, you got it at a great price - lower than what I would have expected. Their brazilwood bows have been quite good for the money IMO, and a real step up in wood is quite a lot more. Consider getting a plywood case with it if you're thinking of upgrading that. You would save some money on shipping when getting it with the violin in place of the foam case they'd normally send it in.
I got an upgraded bridge on one on my Yita violas. They also send the original bridge as well. So you should end up with two bridges to mess around with.
Thank you ! The seller is out of office till Monday, So ill get my invoice only then... the weekend to think about the bridge or no bridge upgrade ;)
Lyndon Taylor, why are you so negative about Chinese violins or violas. You have been very negatively critical about Chinese violins, WHY? I am a Canadian and personally speaking violins and violas made by the contemporary Chinese violin workshops are far superior to the European counterparts, absolutely no doubt. I have owned both violins and violas made by Chinese workshop and price wise/quality wise those European workshops will never be able to match. Mind you the Chinese have not come up with good strings but this is another issues. Lyndon Taylor you have to stop belittling the Chines made instruments. Are you a racist or are you a bigot or just envious? I have seen how you put down Chinese instruments and other members have also pointed out your bias but you are not willing to stop. STOP RIGHT NOW.
I may be presumptuous in offering a possible explanation on behalf of Lyndon and others with his views
To further muddy the waters:
I agree with you Scott Cole, until you said that $200 can not buy something decent. I have one of the Maggini Yita instruments and it is very decent.
Those chinese instruments are not ruining the market yet. A new European/American handmade instrument is 10k+, even a manufactured one usually over $3000. This is a whole different market. I dont believe somebody looking for a $200 violin would buy the other one if the $200 violin would not exist. Those who can afford the other one will eventually do, as there is still a huge gap in quality.
I think Lyndon's comments in this thread have been perfectly reasonable, and reflect the truth of the matter.
"I agree with you Scott Cole, until you said that $200 can not buy something decent. I have one of the Maggini Yita instruments and it is very decent."
My humble opinion is that nobody should be so prejudiced against the Chinese made violins or any other workshop violins. Honest opinion is good but to downgrade them is another matter. I am a classically trained musician, am amateur not professional and I have played many violins and violas. Currently I play a Chinese made viola set up by Lisle violin shop and its sound is gorgeous. I also owned violins made by the Yang Wei, Opera and Dieter-Sun workshops and they are excellent instruments. I also have a 15.75 inch Yita viola the Guadagnini model and all those who have played it liked it. For those students who want to buy a decent violin or viola with a tight budgets the Chinese made violin is the best option, MHO. Just to let you know Lyndon, a $300 Chinese violin sells anywhere between $1500 and $2000 in local stores here with a new set up such as re fitted bridge, a better set of strings or may be pegs. They are excellent instrument for their prices, Lyndon, please withhold your deep felt prejudice. Thank you.
Jesus Christ, this argument again! :P
We all need to get out of the violin gutter and talk about decent violins for a change, there seems to be a race to the bottom on this forum.
That would be awesome, Lyndon, if more people could afford what you consider 'decent'. I sincerely don't think people buy Chinese because they are swimming in money and just want to see how little they can pay for a violin. ;)
That would be fine if you were poor and could admit you bought a cheap violin, instead we have to be bombarded with nonsense about how great the cheap violin is and how much better it is than much better made violins from the past, admit it, you bought a cheap violin, not the best sound, you get what you pay for, not some incredible miracle.
The problem there is that things are relative.
I'm not sure why you're obsessed with value Lyndon. I have never met a musician who compares two instruments based on their value except in a shop and they have a budget. No one cares if Booby Jo plays a cheap violin if it sounds nice. No one cares if Jimmy Gooblesnock's Violin costs $30,000 if it sounds like a strung cardboard box.
I have a friend who owns a number of M20/T20 Yita violins and he loves them all. He even owns a few Yita violin bows. Personally I only own a 15.75 inch Yita viola and the sound is warm and mellow, not as big as my other Chinese - Lisle Shop viola. However I find the Yita instruments are similar to the Old Violin House instruments in sound and construction wise. Although I own a number of Chinese violins but my primary playing instrument is an 18th century German violin. Having said that based on what I have seen, heard and played the Yita T20/M20 violins are worth every penny if you are willing to upgrade the strings and possibly a better set up. By the way Dominant strings will not work well with Chinese violins but Obligato strings will do wonders.
Anybody catch Jimmy Gooblesnock' at Tanglewood performing Medholson's violin concerto last August? It was simply sublime.
That $300 Chinese violin selling for $1500-$2000 in the local shop is exactly what we're talking about, I think. When you're buying a $200 violin online you're sort of getting half of a playable instrument. You then have to put a bunch of money into it to make it playable. What people here are trying to do, I think (I hope) is to warn players against assuming that the $200 violin is in playable condition.
I agree with you Lydia. Almost all of the new Chinese workshop violins I have seen so far requires new strings and some require bridge height adjustment which some of us can do ourselves. Since those Chinese luthiers are not players most of the bridges are cut to certain standard which are a bit higher (by as much as 1mm) on both G and E strings so a player has to sand down the height to suit her/himself. All of the bridges will fit pretty good on the violins and the peg most likely will need a bit of compound to make them turn smoothly. Other than that the extra expense or additional cost lies mainly on the new strings because most of the strings come with these violins are entry level strings which are not quite up to the American standard. The Yita viola that I bought had its sound post dislodged upon arrival so this will be another additional cost.
Ok so here is the deal with the yita violin. they say the one that appeared on the photo as I was bidding was actually sold already and instead they could ship me either of these, I'm a bit disapointed because the one i did bid for had a finer flame.
Oooh now that's not nice of them! That's another potential problem when buying online - specially on eBay. Lyndon can say he told us so, and he's right if he does.
I already paid for the violin plus upgrades...
Unless I ask for evah pirazzi string upgrade, that being if they are even riginal as some have mentionned doubts about it,
...ask them to include one of their 'pernambuco' bows then? Or maybe try one of the Ipe bows? I've been wondering what those are like.
Well finally they gave me a bettter deal i belive, they would send me this one instead :)
Ok, they just changed the photo on the listing to one of the violins they suggested me earlier.. when I saw it a while ago, it had a very fine flame and a red hue.
they confirmed it:
Well, have fun. If you hear rattling you may look at the bridges feet.
That bait-and-switch is against eBay rules, as far as I know. Big warning flag.
No CNC required!
I don't know if you all understood, I won this in an auction.
Shaheen--I predict that you will be quite happy with your new violin.
Yes, but I believe that eBay requires that if photos are posted, that the photos have to match the actual item they are selling to you.
I hear your concern, Lydia. But, its not as if they sent her a different instrument as a surprise. They notified her of the mistake, and offered a choice of replacements. As I've said elsewhere, I've owned 6 different Yita violas (and one violin), and have always received exactly what I ordered, no surprises.
he didn't buy this violin from Yita, according to the OP????
Lyndon, I believe she was asking opinions of Capitalmusic2008 as another alternative source for Ebay violins aside from the offering from Yita.
Hmmm. The original link went to Yita. Is this another site trying to act as a middleman? Don't know - I have two Yita violins, a T20 and a Master violin, and two colleagues have bought Master violins also having seen and played mine. They're both very happy as well.
The pictures are from Yita on a server. Rarely, they make a mistake and they are very good about fixing it. They have a high volume business in different languages.
Shaheen, did you get your violin yet?
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