Change vowel sounds
How can I change a vowel sound from something like honk to hay?
VSO's often honk. Not much one can do about it. Turn them into art?
OK. It's maybe not a simple answer. Any techniques to produce different vowel tones?
? I’m obviously missing something in the translation!
Yeah, I don't understand this topic.
Well I'm not sure I have the descriptive talent for this. Respected blogs on this site have described various tonal qualities as consonants and vowels. As I understand it, consonants are formed with various bow attacks at the beginning of the note. Softer such as chay, harder such as Kay. Hope I have that right. I'm not sure how the vowel tones are formed.
are you on the wrong forum? Try the the singers... 2days later... I ran across the source of this "vowels + consonants" jargon; it's in Galamian's book. I prefer to think of the topic this way; every note has three parts;attack,sustain,and release, and we can control all three. We should tolerate the white noise at the start of a note not following a slur. It doesn't carry very far and what the audience hears is a clean start.
Know what you mean. Hopefully someone will chip in with some sense. The B on my A string (C a bit too) always has a stronger vowel than any other note. It's like that with every violin and every bow. Must be my ears?
David, as you well know there is an infinitude of sounds you can make on the violin, all depending on soundpoint, bow speed, and pressure. You just have to experiment with them. Most productive to start is keep two factors the same and vary the other one, in order to get insight in the variety. For example fix a soundpoint and a bow speed and vary the bow pressure to get a whole range from light to full to heavy and even ugly sounds. So you can do this for different fixed soundpoint-bow speed combinations. Talk about an infinitude!
Thanks Jean. I had some hearing loss a few years back and might not be accurate about tone under my ear. Looking for bit more on the empirical side.
David, my first post was light-hearted but accurate. The principal "vowel" sound of one's tone comes very much from the instrument itself (plate thicknesses & arching) but also its setup (bridge cutouts, height, thickness etc, soundpost mass, tension & placement), not from the player.
Basically you really need a private teacher; even if it's only one lesson, it would help you tremendously. Write down all your questions before going in.
David M, you did not offend, you merely baffled. I think I understand more what you are asking now. Erik is right; you need at least one lesson with someone who knows what they're doing.
Does this make sense? SP 3, same bow speed, lighter bow weight toward ee vowel, heaver bow weight toward onk? Ah somewhere between.
Adrian - while playing in the Maidstone SO for 20 years I often wondered what a Maidstone violin sounds like and if the entire violin section should be equipped with them? Probably not it seems.
I don't get the vowel sound thing. To me, violin sound is much too complex to even begin to be described in such simple terms.
David, I hear you, since I gather you only make rather good(!) violins.
In singing, the vowel dictates what type of color you give. Obviously a pure [i] vowel will give you a brighter sound than an [u] vowel, but even within those vowels there are different shades and resonances which you can achieve; everything from pop to classical/operatic.
Laurie - Perhaps the next time vowels comes up in an interview, you could ask how they produce the various sounds.
All- Perhaps do not do very much with the vowel=violin tone analogy. Serious singers study multiple languages, linguistics, diction, and know the international phonetic alphabet. And they will sometimes deliberately alter, modify, vowels to get better clarity or projection. Italian and Spanish have a relatively short list of vowels that are open, simple, straight. French has special problems for non-native singers, with 14 vowel sounds, including 4 different nasal vowels. Most native English speakers are not aware that most of their vowels are mixed or dipthongs. Try singing, sustaining, the short [a] sound in the word [as] and you will be surprised how ugly it is.
Szigeti apparently used to be quite convinced there were different vowel sounds to be drawn from a violin. Steinhardt supposedly has a hilarious sketch where he sings a fast movement of Prokofiev 1 with the correct vowels, as his teacher designated them.
Ah, Colour (my side of the pond..)
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