using an adjuster with synthetic strings

June 7, 2006 at 07:40 PM · Greetings,

recently I heard a veyr good palyer advising an orchestra to put an adjuster on the a string becuase they had sene Oistrakh do it thought it wa sreally convenient for orchestral players. I knew this combinatioin wa smade popular by Oistrakh but I think the soviet player swho adopted it also had a specific stirng combination which included a steel a string.

I am wondering if anyone ha sused an adjuster with an a string Pirazzi, Obligato, Dominant or vision. Did it affetc the sound/string life etc? As far a si know Pirazzi for exmaple were not designed for an adjuster and I thought there were all kinds of factors like stringlength and weakness that may make this inadvisable. Comments from a knowledgeable resoterer, setter uppe rwould be much appreciated, too.

Cheers,

Buri

Replies (8)

June 7, 2006 at 08:01 PM · I don't know from personal experience, but Shar and the guy who sets up my violin said that it's not good to use fine tuners on synthetic strings because it will shorten the life and just add another rattle prone area. Apparently it's even worse on gut. Steel is pretty much the only kind you can use one with.

June 7, 2006 at 08:19 PM · Hello,

I read in an article about Oistrakh that he used a steel "A" string. The brand name was Prim. Maybe this is how he was able to used a fine tuner on the "A" sting without a problem. It was in one of the Strad magazine issues.

June 7, 2006 at 09:16 PM · A fine tuner on the A string is only needed for steel strings as Oistrakh used them. You can get away with using steel without but it's difficult. For synthetics there is no need for a fine tuner although some like them for ease of tuning. I know Znaider uses one with Visions.

When using them you are adding mass to the tailpice and depending on the violin it's inevitably going to dampen the sound.

Kristian

June 9, 2006 at 05:30 PM · As I understand it the synthetics stretch enough that the tuners are not supposed to be very effective in altering the pitch. ie, the slight change in length doesn't alter the pitch that much because the string stretches instead of increasing in tension.

I have had many students who used tuners on all strings with dominants. They seem to work fine. They might not be necessary but in my experience they certainly work without problems.

June 10, 2006 at 01:51 AM · I'm amazed to learn that Oistrakh used a metal A string. I wouldn't have thought so from his tone. Obviously his talent was so great that he could make the sound he did no matter what type of string he used. Also, Itzhak Perlman said on the Art of Violin Playing that Oistrakh's Strad (?) was not all that great, or words to that effect.

I think an A adjuster is a good idea for orchestral players.

June 10, 2006 at 11:19 AM · I use Pirazzis (and have used other strings like Dominant, Infeld Red and Larsen) with 4 fine tuners/adjusters and it doesn't seem to have any ill effect at all...my strings last ages before I feel any need to change (around 2-3 months).

June 10, 2006 at 09:45 PM · I use a fine tuner on one of my violins that suffers from a nasty nasal sound on the A. It removes the whine but I don't use it to tune the string the peg is sufficient (the strings are infeld red on that violin)

June 11, 2006 at 12:09 PM · Wide gap Wittners work fine. One still needs to use the pegs regularly to keep them working well! I've also put the Wittner composite tailpiece on many violins equipped with perlon strings. Even some pretty good ones. Helps with sudden urges to tweek tuning in the middle of something. Another approach is the perfection pegs.

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