Death of classical music? or not?

February 28, 2006 at 06:46 PM · I don't know whether this has been discussed yet, but it has been on my mind and I am torn. On the "death of classical music", I always see facts for both sides. Classical sales are nothing compared to pop sales and many orchestras are struggling to stay alive...etc. At the same, according to some organizations the sales are up, concert attendence is up, orchestral players can make 6 digit salaries...etc.

how can this be so 2 sided? is classical music really dying?

Replies (103)

February 28, 2006 at 06:51 PM · One thing that is probably true is that Asia rather than Europe or America will be the center of classical music in the 21st century.

February 28, 2006 at 09:23 PM · Guess I'm moving to Asia then. :)

February 28, 2006 at 09:26 PM · There was a good story a few weeks ago about the recent commercial and aristic successes of the Los Angeles Philharmonic.

I think classical music is both dying and flourishing, depending where you are, what's being programmed, and what audiences are being cultivated.

February 28, 2006 at 09:34 PM · People, read "Boom, Bust and Echo".

There is a huge demographic of society, the richest ever, that is retiring over the next 10-20 years. The baby boomers are loaded, they love leisure, and many of them who are currently making wine makers in Napa rich, are going to start doing the same for good classical musicians with business sense. Classical music cannot die in either a commercial sense or an artistic sense (most importantly) as long as there are those of us who are vigorous in being its lifeblood.

Diminishing audiences are a problem that will be solved. I'm telling you, from a commercial point of view, the baby boomers will be our saviour.

February 28, 2006 at 09:39 PM · Provided the baby boomers don't go to Vegas to see an Elvis wannabe....

February 28, 2006 at 10:18 PM · Talking about the move to asia, it can be expected. If you look throughout history, music has moved around, fairly regularly.

Rennaiseance: Mainly Italy and France, a bit of germany

Baroque: Mainly Italy and Germany, a bit of France

Classical: Mainly Germany and France, a bit of Italy

Romantic: Mainly Germany, France and Russia, a bit of Italy.

20th Century: America and france mainly

That is just a generalisation, based on the localities of the major composers, based on the assumption that where the music scene is more active you will find more composers.

I don't think classical music will die. It may start taking on elements of pop/jazz music but people will always have a desire to hear works by Beethoven, Mozart and Haydn etc because they have already been around for so many years. Bach's works have been around for 300-350 years and they're still very popular. I bet you can't name one number one song from 2 years ago. It was great at the time, but they don't hang around. It's very unlikely that one song will stay around for a long time.

You must understand that classical music and popular music are completely different - they aim for different things. Popular music gives you something nice to hear, where as classical music gives you something to listen to (yes, there is a difference between hearing and listening). Very little popular music makes you think about it, where as classical music encourages you to think about it. You don't need a degree to understand popular music, and while you don't need a degree to understand classical music, it certainly does require some study.

In short, I do not think classical music will die, as there will always be a demand for the classics, and that then allows orchestras to continue playing, and gives composers opportunities to have new works heard.

March 1, 2006 at 01:27 AM · Content and Marketing.

People tend to gather around the familiar. The war horses and pop/concert fusion.

Chamber music on the other hand was always a rather exclusive and intimate experience.

It tends to thrive on the number of people who can play an instument.

Personally I wouldn't mind if we could hear little more of the avant gard and modern composers. But there is an art to exposing the greater public to that sort of thing.

Our local symphony keeps using Movie themes and Musicals to lure parents into the symphony hall with the kids.

If there was a way to get a sizeable croud of youngsters exposed to and excited about eccentrics like George Crumb or the stuff played by the Turtle Isle String Quartet I think you would see a revival or sorts.

It seems lately the people who market Classical music do not have a lot of interest in young people or the progressive things that would excite them.

THe life of classical music depends on the inovative ways we access the preschoolers and gradeschoolers of today.

I recently heard John Williams say that he enjoys writing classical music but it doesn't give him the contact with the audiences that he has in movie sound tracks. We need to create an audience that is as intrigued with new sounds and the process of creating new music as we do for Star Wars.

March 1, 2006 at 04:05 AM · This is a topic everyone debates until the cows come home! In fact, I think that most of us are self-proclaimed experts (myself included) without knowing concrete facts. The bottom line is that we are part of a tradition that, for better or worse, is elitist. This tradition is hundreds of years old, if not thousands (if you want to trace a direct lineage to plainchant, which might have melodies from Biblical times). The tradition will never die. We are walking history books and will always have something to say for those who want to listen.

That being said, just as this generation looks back on history differently than the previous generation, our children will see Classical music differently than we do. Some things will be more marketable than others. Also, different pieces will strike common ground with different demographic groups. Instead of debating whether or not the field is dying, we should be spending our time trying to find and diversify our markets.

Best,

Daniel

March 1, 2006 at 04:32 AM · Very nicely said Damiel.

It is so true.

The bottom line is, that classical music will not die and is not dying a slow death.

We are finding new ways of marketing, and spreading the good cheer.

Today more than ever, there is a lot of mixing going on between genres, and that's a great thing.

There is also a great appreciation of early period music unlike ever before. Especially with the likes of Andrew Manze, who makes his idiom very exciting.

And in new music, there are so many good works being written. People flock to attend concerts by Gidon Kremer, KRONOS quartet, Yo-Yo Ma, Lang Lang, Edgar Meyer, Truls Mork etc.

March 1, 2006 at 06:31 AM · Why don't violinists play recitals comprised of short pieces anymore; the little pieces popular earlier last century like Humoresque for example? I sometimes wonder if more people would go to recitals and concerts if these kinds of lighter pieces were performed again.....non-musicians may not always have the attention span to appreciate a 30 sonata. It's a shame too, some of those old tunes are dying out and younger generation doesn't even know about them (myself included)....but it's magic to listen to those old recordings. Someone should revive those pieces!

-Laura

March 1, 2006 at 12:47 PM · A couple of our good friends are lifelong music lovers, but the wife has recently really begun to study and expand her classical music horizons. I gave her some CDs that introduced her to what to most of us is the highly familiar world of the violin short pieces and encore pieces. She was absolutely stunned at how beautiful this literature is. Yes, it ain't played enough in recitals. There was a day when these types of pieces made up a whole program. Now everybody's deep into the big concertos and sonatas.

March 1, 2006 at 01:03 PM · well, it was done by heifetz and kogan etc...and you can't really top that. we don't "understand" short pieces these days to get even close to the effectiveness of jascha's performances. i can only count the amount of people on one hand that could pull this off effectivly today...

March 1, 2006 at 01:47 PM · I think that classical music is being composed constantly, turning up in soundtracks and concerts, but the older the music is, the more likely it will be accepted. Of course, on Sunday, I heard this cool new song some new composer wrote and I told my brother..."Remember that tune so when it gets popular in 50 years we can both say we heard the original performance of it!" It was a neat song, reminded me of Dukas.

Of course, Mozart, Beethoven, and Haydn scared all the later composers half to death of writing a symphony. I would write one, but I'm afraid too.

Then I thought, "why not try?" so ever so often, when a new tune pops into my head...I whistle it and record it on my tape player. This morning I was surprised to find that all of it fits together as variations. I think I will start entering it on the computer soon so I can work on orchestrating it. (My first opus was some contemporary Christian-blues thing called, Lord, Forgive Me. It's about a guy who breaks all Ten Commandments and wants to be forgiven. This one is nothing like it...classical instrumentation, featuring waltz, march, scherzo, and latin.)

And I came up with a theme on pi that my brother was able to turn into a whole song, his second opus (and he's younger than me!) Theme on Pi. Made it to the third of five rounds of Indiana State Farm Bureau's Project XL.

March 1, 2006 at 02:40 PM · Yes, and in the area of short encore type pieces, the literature ought to be growing by leaps and bounds, and taking advantage of all of the modern music (popular and classical) that has themes and motifs that are ideal for the short encore arrangements.

March 1, 2006 at 03:00 PM · I'm surprised how far classical has come...one day I think it's all about violins and horns and harps and stuff, and the next day I hear on electric orchestra with an e-guitar/bass...Hans Zimmer and Klaus Badelt have definitely brought about a new concept through their Pirates of the Caribbean!

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March 3, 2006 at 07:06 PM · classical music will definitely change over time. if that means it's dying to you then so be it.

but ask yourself:

what would the gregorian chant choirs have made of the brahms concerto? would they have considered it to be an extension of their musical tradition?

would ockeghem have been able to listen to a symphony without becoming restless at the 'lack' of pure counterpoint?

could bach have composed using midi as steve reich does? it would have saved him much time in creating his scores if he'd had that technology at his disposal.

what would mozart have said about minimalism? do you really know for sure that he wouldn't like it?

i know some korn fans who can't get enough of berg's wozzeck. to them wozzeck is as much alternative as nirvana or linkin park. to the record store berg belongs in the classical section. where would schumann have put berg's music? in the garbage pail? or on a pedestal? and how do you know for sure schumann wouldn't have liked 12 tone seeing as his own music is highly chromatic?

how can we say for sure that a guitar concerto such as the rodrigo would have been considered proper classical music 450 years ago when the guitar wasn't considered a decent instrument?

if a recording engineer could only go back in time and record different eras of classical music, it would be obvious to his ears that classical has changed so much that it is beyond the masters' recognition even now.

in joachim's time virtuoso violinists used portamento shifts liberally all over everything and played everything from bach to modern pieces in the same style. now we want our baroque done period style, our transparent mozart, our romantic works big and bold but without sentimentality, and our motorik modern pieces. young musicians demand the urtext and try to remain faithful to the score. the wide vibratos, willful rubato, and undue loud shiftings we loved in our forebears are now considered cheesy. i could argue that classical music 'as they knew it' is already dead.

the definition of 'classical' has changed so much over the last 1000+ years that we either can or can't really say it's dying. depends on who's doing the arguing.

however...you may look at the fact that classical music has been around in one form or another for 1000+ years and is still relevant. NO other style has that lasting power outside of folk.

in the year 2500 there may or may not be violins and symphonies but there will be something and it will be relevant to that time period.

the wheels keep turning. classical music will be around for a while.

March 3, 2006 at 09:52 PM · William, demographics and consumer spending has shown that the baby boomers will be endlessly more sophisticated than their parents.

March 7, 2006 at 01:56 AM · Pieter like i said in a later post classical music does not need old geezer baby boomers i can gain a lively audience of 20,30 year olds ,teens and college kids.Remember its all about the marketing.And a good way to branch off and gain a wider audience is for classical artists to do music videos and record pop/rock,hip hop or jazz albums or crossover albums to gain a wider audience. Just a reminder Kennedy's vivaldi's 4 seasons sold 6 million copys thats more than 50 cent and you know his stock is falling.

March 7, 2006 at 04:45 AM · D wright- well put. The other day I saw a performance of pop tunes done by some belgian symphony. It was creepy because you could see the singer vaguely trying to sing bohemian rhapsody "correctly" while simultaneously wiggling his leg kinda-sorta like Elvis, but looking more like a palsied parisian metrosexual. You could also see the orchestra mechanically applying all the carefully learned orchestra rep techniques they know to this simple, but normally fun and spontaneous sounding music. The performance was terrible, to put it mildly, but it did serve to demonstrate again how much the classical world has slipped into the "music as received wisdom" approach to music making. So- MY PREDICTION is that by the year 2100 there will be only a handfull of classical orchestras in the world, and they will play mostly Disney tunes and Madonna transcriptions. Despite very small budgets, they'll be able to make it by using innovations such as spray on tuxedos and holographic, artificially intelligent "reduplicant string artists" to fill out the non-core seats in the orchestra. The AF of M will be a computer simulation, available as an online download.

March 7, 2006 at 06:56 AM · Toni,

In 2005 50 Cent made 75 million dollars.

O, and 50s first album sold 10 million copies, and his follow up about 7 million - these are worldwide figures.

Again, your arguments carry no weight. Please unplug your keyboard and quit.

March 7, 2006 at 06:55 AM · Baby Boomers aren't geezers.. they're a pretty outgoing bunch. I agree that classical music needs to try and reach a wider audience, but I'm sorry - anyone who knows rock and even pop knows that the crossover stuff has been total garbage. It's very difficult to get classically trained players to try and make a blues sound. It just isn't working so far.

March 7, 2006 at 06:17 PM · Go download Blind Willie Johnson's Dark was the Night and you'll forget all about this classical shlock.:P

March 7, 2006 at 07:32 PM · Sort of funny, this discussion. Why? Because exactly the people discussing this issue here will be the ones at fault if classical music dies. So if you people want classical music for the future you will just make it happen. Simple as that.

FMF

March 7, 2006 at 09:59 PM · FMF, if Toni and his views are representative of his generation, I'd go so far as to say classical music IS dead already. After all, that would mean that his notions of comparisons (50 cent vs. Perlman?? hip-hop vs. Heifetz??) prove that the concepts of excellence, peerless skill, subtlety, variety, sensuality and an excitement bred somewhere OTHER than the pelvis have been forgotten. In a world where Mozart or Milstein, Hindemith or Heifetz can be even half seriously compared to pop "artists", I have no wish to be a musician.

Good lord, we're seriously talking about how vulgar, crass, sell-out and false to its very foundations classical music can become to attract audiences? Does it not occur to anyone that this makes it UNclassical UNmusic? Does it not stand to reason that what a statuesque beauty needs in order to attract attention is NOT to do porn films or sell crack on street corners? Is it not self-evident that when fine wine fails to attract a mass audience the solution is NOT to add sugar, marshmallows, box prizes and a clown for a spokesperson?

Don't try "saving" music by eradicating it. Try showing the masses - the Tonis of the world notwithstanding - that the product AS IS is one that is accessible, interesting and offering something they simply won't find in other products. And that's fine. I don't look for a heavy drumbeat and inane lyrics in Schubert lieder, and I'd just as soon not look for delicate nuances of meaning or harmonic ingenuity in the latest offering from Christina Aguilera, thankyouverymuch.

And Howard, if your prediction is accurate, I'll be taking that law school course right about now. Why bother toiling for so miserable a future? Why do you do it, if I may ask, if you truly believe that dismal future is all that awaits?

March 7, 2006 at 10:05 PM · "I'd just as soon not look for delicate nuances of meaning or harmonic ingenuity in the latest offering from Christina Aguilera, thankyouverymuch."

Glenn Gould couldn't have said it better himself...

March 7, 2006 at 10:23 PM · Pieter i know what is going on in the music industry you dare to say that my sister who is second in charge for the pacific northwest branch of THE biggest record company is wrong YOU are the one who is misleaded and putting out bull YOU should put away your keyboard.It seams to me that you are depessed all you say are negitive things,Wether it is saying that no one listens to classical music are baby boomers are the only hopeful audience for classical music.Oh and by the way JB,Perlman,Ma and Kennedy have ALL out sold 50 cent ,no one listens to him anymore rappers are lucky to last for 5 years then their popularity dies out but the dudes that i mentioned earlier will have frutful lifelong careers plaing for all people not just baby boomers.

March 7, 2006 at 10:32 PM · Emil, my comparrisons were purely commercial and have nothing to do with substance. I revere this art above any others, and although I do own pop/rock/rap albums (just like you occasionally eat candy and hamburgers instead of eating at La Cirque), I do not think that classical music should be debassed like Toni is suggesting.

One area in which you are wrong Emil, is that you operate on the assumption that all popular music is bad. It certainly goes without saying that Beethoven or Bach or Mozart exists on a plane that no one else has touched, but to say cast The Beatles, Bob Dylan or a myriad of other artists whose words, incredible invention and creativity are worthy of great praise, would be quite unfortunate.

In my opinion, the violin itself can be introduced into other mediums, but I completely despise classical music used in pop (when done very badly).

March 7, 2006 at 10:40 PM · Toni, I agree that they have long careers. But again, you are miserably wrong. Consider taking up sign language so that less of us are subjected to your drivel.

Rap artists have a short shelf life? Ever heard of Jay Z? Nas? Snoop? Hell, Tupac is STILL comming out with albums. Some of those guys who aren't just idiots talking about hating women, guns, money etc.. have been around for more than 10 years. It is a new art form and it will continue to grow.

I'm not depressed at all, I'm very happy and very optimistic about music, which is why I am doing it full time. I just think that the way you think it totally backwards and misguided.

I'm sure your sister is totally fantastic but she's definately giving you the mushroom treatment. (Look up on google how they grow mushrooms and you'll get my meaning).

Stop equating the future and value of classical music as an art with money. Face it, 50 Cent is now worth almost half a billion dollars. None of them come even close. Really, put the keyboard down and go play outside.

March 7, 2006 at 10:40 PM · my sister is not giving me the mushroom treatment i have done a little research my self you know.Oh and by the way do you really think people will be listening to rap in 20 years?

March 7, 2006 at 10:44 PM · Toni, a big man at tower records refused The Beatles demo and said that guitar bands are on their way out. I have a feeling that you'll be sweeping floors just like him.

March 7, 2006 at 10:48 PM · HELL NO i don't even want do be a primarily classical violinist I want to be a rock star violinist.

March 7, 2006 at 10:51 PM · And what a mighty ambassador to the arts you'll be. Best of luck to you.

March 7, 2006 at 10:51 PM · Oh and 50 cent is not worth almost half a billion dollars where are you getting your information.

March 7, 2006 at 10:52 PM · a violinist that plays rock or pop is just as good as a violinist that plays classical. Maybe even better because they are trying something new.

March 7, 2006 at 10:56 PM · Toni go read some magazines or something. He owns G Unit records which has many platinum selling artists, G Unit clothing, some type of energy drink, a movie which grossed a lot of money, or god knows what else (since he owns the largest house on the East Coast in the USA). As you can see, it has nothing to do with quality of music so stop trying to lie to yourself that your violin heros make more money because they are better. That simply is not the case. 50 Cent makes more money because he is trying to make money. Perlman and YoYo Ma have something totally different in mind when they step on stage.

March 7, 2006 at 11:01 PM · Y'all are boring. I want Great Kat's old teacher from Juilliard on here.

March 7, 2006 at 11:05 PM · ok ok but what i am trying to say is that it is not impossible for classical music to be as big as rock or hip hop another thing vanessa mae is one of my so called violin heroes and she is worth a couple hundred million dollars as much as 50 

March 7, 2006 at 11:00 PM · "a violinist that plays rock or pop is just as good as a violinist that plays classical"

A person is a person - they all have equal value. "Classical" trained musicians and "popular" musicians have different training and each reach different audiences.

Also, Toni, please take this advice from a student like yourself. Understand that the people you are "discussing" with are professionals in their field. They have years of experience beyond you, and I would humbly suggest to you that you submit your ideas in manner consistent with this knowledge.

March 7, 2006 at 11:07 PM · fine but just look at my earlier post.

March 7, 2006 at 11:36 PM · Listen, I don't know why you're obsessed with trying to convince other people that classical makes as much money as other types? Who cares. If Itzhak Perlman had as much money as some rock artists, that wouldn't validate him or make me like him more. I like Perlman because he is a great artist who plays the violin in a way which I really admire.

Classical music will never make the kind of money that you think it does, but who cares? Does that mean it's dying? Christ no, it means that there is a small amount of people who are interested in it, and it isn't nearly as commercially driven as other genres. For that we should be thankful. Yes, there are some who have become rich, but stop lying and spreading total garbage about the money they make. Comparring them monatarilly (in my opinion) insults and debasses them. While I have no doubt that Itzhak Perlman believes it is his right to be financially compensated for his performance, I really, seriously doubt that he is trying to squeeze every penny out of his career, and in comparring him to many of these pop artists, you are essentially saying this.

It's very nice that you'd like to broaden your horizons, but whatever your sister is telling, or wherever you are doing your research, I am not the only one here who can tell you beyond a reasonable doubt that you are so far off the truth that it has stopped being funny and has entered the realm of patheticism. But, it seems clear that your priorities are in the realm of commercial success, so best of luck to you.

March 7, 2006 at 11:58 PM · Okay, so I've finally picked myself off of the floor from laughing so hard. Vanessa-Mae having a 9 figure back account? ***dissolves onto floor laughing***

March 8, 2006 at 12:05 AM · Andrew shut up. My aunty works for SONY BMG, and she is the assistant to the president of their Arctic Circle devision. Vanessa Mae just bought the publishing rights to the entire Rolling Stones

catalogue, and Itzhak Perlman just bought Cuba.

March 8, 2006 at 12:07 AM · Jim, you know about Great Kat? Her and Toni could be great friends.

March 8, 2006 at 01:56 AM · thank you pieter vanessa mae is a very rich woman and she dose hava a 9 figure bank account,also Pieter lets make a truce we are reasonable guys iI know that classical music is not as commercialy succesful as pop or rock and hip hop but who knows what will happen in the future classical music is becoming more accesable via the internet and itunes and classical artists like JB,Kennedy(who could be classified as a pop artist too),Ma and Lang Lang are marketing twards younger listeners.

March 8, 2006 at 02:02 AM · oh and i did not know that vanessa mae bought the publishing rights to the roling stones.

March 8, 2006 at 02:24 AM · just kidding but you have to believe me she does have a 8 or 9 figure bank account shes gone platnum in 40 countried for christ's sake.And Pieter i do agree with ou that the violin can,chould and is used in pop music and other generes.Now if you will excuse me i need to practice my electric violin,i need to practice if i want to be a rock star or an inovative vrutuoso.By the way have any of you guys heard of a rock band called Apocalyptica?

March 8, 2006 at 02:26 AM · Would somebody end this thread? I'm getting sick...

March 8, 2006 at 02:31 AM · i will if somebody will agree with the truth.

March 8, 2006 at 02:41 AM · And you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free.

March 8, 2006 at 02:43 AM · okay

March 8, 2006 at 02:43 AM · this

March 8, 2006 at 02:43 AM · thread

March 8, 2006 at 02:44 AM · is

March 8, 2006 at 02:44 AM · going

March 8, 2006 at 02:44 AM · nowhere

March 8, 2006 at 02:55 AM · beneficial.

March 8, 2006 at 02:44 AM · the end

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March 8, 2006 at 02:47 AM · gha

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March 8, 2006 at 02:47 AM · yeah, gah

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March 8, 2006 at 02:47 AM · really gah

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March 8, 2006 at 02:48 AM · gah?

March 8, 2006 at 02:48 AM · the end

March 8, 2006 at 02:48 AM · captain hook was furious!

March 8, 2006 at 02:48 AM · gah ? ?

March 8, 2006 at 02:48 AM · why was he furious?

March 8, 2006 at 02:48 AM · pop

March 8, 2006 at 02:49 AM · he was

March 8, 2006 at 02:49 AM · and what does captian hook have to do with this?

March 8, 2006 at 02:49 AM · because peter pan had foiled his plot for the last time

March 8, 2006 at 02:49 AM · hmmm this is getting fun...

March 8, 2006 at 02:49 AM · gah

March 8, 2006 at 02:49 AM · Good for Peter Pan. What was Captian Hook's plot?

March 8, 2006 at 02:50 AM · gah

March 8, 2006 at 02:49 AM · harry potts

March 8, 2006 at 02:50 AM · ?

March 8, 2006 at 02:50 AM · to kill peter pan

March 8, 2006 at 02:51 AM · if it was the last thing he did

March 8, 2006 at 02:51 AM · We have seven more posts in which to say something meaningful...

March 8, 2006 at 02:51 AM · Ahh...then Peter Pan was the best one to foil his plan!

March 8, 2006 at 02:52 AM · wow this is going to be tough

March 8, 2006 at 02:52 AM · Finally,

March 8, 2006 at 02:52 AM · this thread is coming to an end!

March 8, 2006 at 02:57 AM · who will get the last word?

edit: in conclusion, i think we can say that classical music will die(along with everything else) because of heat death of the universe. Not even 50 cents can stop entropy.

edit: you did well too jenna

March 8, 2006 at 03:07 AM · Are you trying to tell me to stop, Willie? Because if you are, accept my humblest apologies...you aren't being very clear...

Valiently fought, Willie.

"You will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free." I love that so much...

Edit: Laura, how in the world did you get a 102nd post in???

March 8, 2006 at 02:57 AM · I think it's this thread that is dying a miserable death....can we archive it already?

-Laura

March 8, 2006 at 02:46 AM · Toni,

Um... 50 cent notwithstanding, what about folks like Snoop Dogg? He's been around for a lot longer than five years, as have a number of other prominent rappers and still sells and sells. Also, at least they're trying to do something new, whatever the folks here may think of it (check out emil's post...) The only new stuff that any of the violinists you mentioned has created recently is (oh my GOODNESS) A NEW FINGERING in the 568th measure of the Mendelssohn concerto, or some UNBELIEVABLE NEW BOWING for the beginning of the the Bach Chaconne. Please. How long can we go on doing THAT and actually expect to get paid?

That having been said, it would be nice if the pop folks would figure out how to write songs or pieces longer than 3 minutes. Singing in tune and playing with something like a nice sound would be a plus too. And how about some songs for NON adolescents?? NON dancers?? Of course, how long did it take classical music to move from short madrigals and creepy motets, sequences etc. to longer, more interesting forms?

Howard

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