What are the first 5 concertos you learned
Question: What are the first 5 concertos you learned? (and in what order)
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I mostly began concertos just this year.
Viotti 22--Didn't finish it, hated it.
Vivaldi Spring--sightreadable
Vivaldi Summer--was fun
Bach E major--a real booger to bring out its natural beauty
Mozart #3--began five days ago, was shocked at how much easier it is than Bach
That's all for me. I like sonatas better.
Two seitz concertos, did them pretty fast
Vivaldi in a minor
la folia
Accolay
Bach in a minor
(I'm not going to count the concerto movements in Suzuki.)
Vivaldi A minor
Mozart 3 in G major
Bach for 2 violins (first and second)
Bach in E major (without my teacher)
The Butterfly Lovers (Not learned completely yet. All these weird slides and types of portamento.)
Vivaldi A minor
Bach Double
BAch for violin and oboe
Mozart 3
Bach 1
Vivaldi in A
Vivaldi in G
Mozart 3
Bach in A Minor
Mozart 5
My teacher hates me.
My first full concerto was Vivaldi A minor (I played the movements given in the Suzuki books of Seitz) Then I played the first movement of the Bach Double, then the Vivaldi G minor, The Bach A minor, Accolay, now I'm finishing up Mozart 3 and want to do either Mozart 5 or Bruch next.
1. Concerto No. 2, 3rd movement, Seitz
2. Concerto No. 5, 1st and 3rd movements, Seitz
3. Concerto in A minor, 1st, 2nd and 3rd movements, Vivaldi
4. Concerto for two violins, 1st movement
5. Concerto in G minor, Vivaldi
6. Concerto No. 1 in A minor, Bach
7. Concerto No. 5 in A major, Mozart - (I really like this one)
Well, I liked them all I suppose
I have done all the Suzuki Concertos except Mozart in D
Sorry, thats more than five
1. Vivaldi A minor
2. Bach A minor
3. Mozart 4
4. Mozart 5
5. Saint Saens 3
My teacher likes me :-)
A bunch of Seitz and Vivaldi stuff...Suzuki
Bach A min, Bach Double
Viotti 22
De Beriot: Concerto No. 9 in A min
Wieniawski D min
Bruch G min
Mozart G Maj
Conus E min
My teacher says he's happy with me
How about your concertos, Scott 68?
de Beriot wrote two concertos in A minor :-)~
We shall assume the popular #9!
It feels like we're playing cards or something...
Vivaldi A minor (suzuki)
Mendelssohn concerto (2nd movement only)
Haydn A major
Spohr 8
Viotti 22
Bertiot 9
vivaldi spring
mozart 3
mozart 4
bruch
lalo
if you cound the chaconne that was first actually
(none are finished)
darn-it, Bruch wrote 3 violin concertos, Lalo wrote 2 violin concertos...although I will assume that you're speaking of his Symphonie Espagnol!
Haydn G Maj.
Kabalevsky.
Mozart 3.
Khachaturian.
Ravel/Tzigane. (does that count?)
Let's see...
Seitz #3 or something....the second piece in Suzuki 4
Mozart #3
Kabalevsky
Bruch
Vieuxtemps #4
1. Suzuki stuff, like Seitz, Vivaldi, Bach
2. Bach a minor (still Suzuki, but still my first "real" concerto I think)
3. Mozart 5 (first 2 mvmts)
4. Bruch (performed with orchestra)
5. Mendelssohn (still working on)
Suzuki stuff, seitz, etc.
Bach Concerto #1 in A.
Vivaldi Winter
Mozart #3
Bach Concerto #2 In E
That's tough. I'm a teenager and I don't even remember things like that!
I do remember learning stuff like all five Seitz concertos, Accolay, Vivaldi's Four Seasons, Vivaldi a and g concertos, and Bach Concerto in a.
But certainly not in that order.
Vivaldi A-
Bach Double
Bach A-
Bruch G-
Mendelssohn
I started out in Suzuki but skipped pieces.
suzuki stuff which i won't list
haydn G
mozart 3
mozart 4
bruch g
Vivaldi G minor op. 12 (I'm not sure on that opus number, but it's not Summer!)
Bach A minor
Mozart 5
Mendelssohn First Movt.
I'm afraid I've only really played 4, unless you count the one month on Bruch G minor, or the summer spent on Scene de Ballet by de Beriot.
1. Seitz (I don't remember which one)
2. Mozart No. 3
3. Bach Double Violin Concerto
4. Bruch No. 1 (still haven't finished the 3rd movement yet)
5. Accolay
It's been a long time ago, but based on the ancient music I found at my moms...
Accolay
Bach a minor
Bach e major
Sarasate Zigeunerweisen
[my first teacher retired when I was 12 or 13]
Mozart #4 [high school, with 2nd teacher]
Mendelssohn
Bruch [last one in high school]
Kuchler
Vivaldi a minor
Seitz (forget which)
Bach double
Haydn G Major
The Seitz concertos in Suzuki
The Vivaldi in A and in G
The Accolay mvt. 1
1. Walton
2. ernst
3. schoenberg
4. rozsa
5. bartok 2
1. Millies D major
2. Reiding B minor
3. Vivaldi A minor
4. Bach A minor
5. Bach D minor Double
6. Vivaldi Spring
7. Vivaldi A minor Double
Now I'm doing Vivaldi Winter and hope to play Mozart 5 soon.
I think I may have missed some out, I can't actually remember playing the first 4 as I was only little.
1. Good ol' Vivaldi A Minor
2. Bach E Major
3. Mozart 5th (1st movement)
4. Bruch (1st movement)
5. Vieuxtemps (1st & 2nd movements)
Which Vieuxtemps???? You people are killing me...pick one....1 - 7 (there is a partial 8th concerto...I'm sure you're not speaking of this one)
Which Ernst Willie? He wrote 2 :-)~
Hi, Jonathan: Oooops. Vieuxtemps #4. And by the way, I'm sure you're familiar with the Heifetz parody of it on his master class video. Hilarious. I think he managed to perfectly imitate everything I do wrong (except that I don't wipe my nose while playing).
How about the LAST 5 concertoes you're learned? Here are mine:
Sibelius (only about 3/4 of the 1st movement and all of 2nd movement)
Tchaikovsky
Wieniawski 2
Schumann (never finished the last movement)
Barber (1st and 2nd movements)
Accolay
Bach double
Viotti No. 22
Bruch g minor
Mozart No. 5
Accolay 1,2, or 3? hehe
Why do certain people only learn parts of concertos? It seems like the equivilant of reading half of a novel.
No, it's more like reading one book in a trilogy. Or how ever many there are.
Could it be more like there was a certain part of a concerto that just happened to incorporate a technique the player was studying at that particular point?
My first 5:
1. Shosty 1
2. Bartok 2
3. Sibelius
4. Beethoven
5. Paganini 1
just kidding!
Oooo joke programs, me next!
Bazzini #1
Bazzini #2
Bazzini #3
Bazzini #4
Bazzini #5
Really though...thinking back to my very first five...sort of silly though, these were far before I started college
Seitz #3 I suppose, I hate that piece
Bach A minor
de Beriot #9
Haydn C major
Viotti #22 (dreadful...Ysaye's cadenza however kicks butt)
Those were my first 5!
Hey...I liked Viotti 22. Was there something wrong with me?
Jenna, I'm a fan too! Join the club...
...because that is what I wanted to do. With Sibelius, I just haven't finished it.
Hm...for me,
Vivaldi in A minor
Bach Double Violin in D minor
Bach in E major
Mozart No. 3 in G
Mendelssohn in E minor
well lets see how far back I can remember. not counting Suzuki...
Bruch
Wieniawski (I realize it's a jump, but I don't remember in between lol)
Mendolssohn
Barber
Lalo
Khatchaturian (currently)
What do people have against the concerti in the Suzuki books? This is starting to annoy me...
the two Vivaldi concerti (A and G) aren't bad pieces. Of course...when you get to them in Suzuki you sound...like a student, but I don't see why they're totally disregarded.
The Bach concerto for 2 violins in D is, of course, fantastic. The first movement is so amazing...
There's also that Mozart Concerto in book 9 or 10 (I don't remember which one...) it's certainly a good concerto.
I just don't understand...it makes no sense to deny learning these pieces, they're GOOD pieces. I personally think that the Bach concerto is much better in terms of how well it is composed than the Bruch or many other Concerti...
I think that the Suzuki concerti are perfectly good concerti. I can't speak for anyone else, but I have a thing against Vivaldi in A just because EVERYONE plays it in HS and MS, which most of the time ends up extremely butchered and not sounding pretty, and I'm just tired of hearing it every year for solo/ensemble contest.
And the Bach Double Violin is indeed fantastic. I love the first movement, but the third movement is even better.
I'm excited to hear you both like the concerto #22! It's obvious you haven't heard the other 28 of them that sound the same! Viotti followed a formula for his composing the 29 concertos...this is one of those composers that requires someone unfamiliar with his other works to truly enjoy his later works :-)~
Well, I'm on my first one and guess what it is?!
It is Vivaldi in A minor! I can understand how some of you lot may tire of hearing it, but I am really enjoying it. The Peters Edition comes with a play-along cd of a string orchestra, which is a good practice tool. Emily, I will try my best not to butcher it!
I'm amazed that some of you seemed to have started with virtuoso-level material. How could this be??? When I used to show up at my lessons with those concertos under my arm, my teacher would go postal and froth at the mouth. "Maybe someday!" he would scream in his Finnish accent. "Now get out your Dont!!!" What a party-pooper.
I have absolutely nothing against the Suzuki concerti...I just didn't feel like listing them all out...because frankly, those are probably almost everyone's first concerti
Not counting ANYTHING in suzuki (cause I did em all except for the mozart concerti...saved for a later time)
-Vivaldi Spring (whole concerto)
-Bruch 1st & 3rd mvmt. of g min.
-Zigeunerweisen/Sarasate at Interlochen summer camp
-Mozart #5 (beautiful...but so extremely hard to pull off...)
-Introduction and Rondo Capricciosso
-Mendolssohn (Whole Concerto)
-Wieniawski #1 (3rd mvmt.)
-Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto (whole concerto)
-Shostakovich #1 being prepared for a competition in 2 years! (Current concerto) & the Sarasate dances: malaguena, romanza andaluza, & zapateado for a more recent recital coming up
Sounds like most of the repretoire that I have finished...hmm...Goals in the near future: (in the upcomming new year...either) ;D
-Brahms
-Beethoven
-Vieuxtemps 4 or 5
-Sibelius
-Paganini #1
Which one do u guys think I should do??? My friend who's played about all these concertos wants me to do Brahms cause she told me it was a blast....but i'm not as good as her. :/
Patrick--
Conus. :)
Vieuxtemps 5 is great fun, and a real technique builder. You need a good stretch to play some of the passages, but its a great piece. If I was just a little bit more proficient I would be able to play that darned development section!
The first 5 I learned /properly/ -
Bach E Major
Bruch G Min
Tchaik
Wien 2
Silebius
(as someone who was pilfering the parts to the Brahms and Elgar from his Dad's music drawers from early teens)
Sietz 5
Vivaldi A Minor
Mozart 3
Bach Double
(Back to Mozart 3)
Bruch 1
(Excluding individual movements of Vivaldi, Bach, and pupil concertos such as Seitz, Viotti, &tc)
1. Bruch g-moll
2. Wieniawski 2
3. Bach e-dur
4. Mozart 3
5. Mozart 4
A lot of people I've met are tremendously confused by this (hehe, I guess I enjoy causing confusion to some degree) but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact a) the last three on the list resulted from a lot of stylistic aims and b) they the contrasted extremely romantic works I was working on otherwise.
Mozart 4 became something of a mantra for me.
Amy, for a second I actually believed you.
Didn't Chang play Bartok when she was like 8 or something?
Midori performed Sibelius at 6 and Bartok 2 at 7.
Ah, Samantha's reason makes sense ^^
Anyway, if you discount the Suzuki concerti I learned...
Accolay
Mozart 3 1st movement
Mendelssohn (all)
O.o
that's only 3...and I've done so many non concerto pieces too...I'm sure I've done more...nope ~_~ and I want to work on Zigunerweisen or a Kreisler or something next so...I won't be learning any new concerti in the near future either ^__^
andrew...i do not understand your post. conus? lol
Well I think I've decided to do the Sibelius...seeing that I am far behind Midori in the age category... ;D
The only concertos I have ever played are
Bruch- Complete
Mendelssohn-1st and 3rd
Mozart No.5- complete
Sibelius- Complete
I would say play sibelis. You never understand it fully until you study the entire thing- and it is amazing.
Greetings,
Vivaldi a minor,
Nardini e minor
Rode 7
De Beriot 9
Wieniawski 2
Mozart 4
I missed out on those concertos like Rieding and Accolay that Perlman recorded so beautifully. These days I find I find myself having to teach the Rieding to some students and have grown rather fond of it. Cute in its own way...
Personally I don't think the Bach cocnertos should be seen as beginner material and do not use them with studnents who have just 'done' Vivaldi (also difficult to play really well).
Cheers,
Buri
wow wieniawski 2 after de beriot? Seems like an awkward transition...how did u do with that?
I wish I could have learn my first five violin conertos in this order:
Bruch #1
Mend. (forgot how to spell his name...) :(
Bach (E, A, or any concerto)
Mozart 3,4,5
Tchaikovsky
Bruch no.1
mendelssohn in e minor
bach double
Glazunov
beethoven
glazunov's cadenza was kinda hard so i was stuck... didn't get thru the whole cadenza
Wow. So many people on this thread have learned Tchaik and Sib in their first 5 minutes of studying violin! :) What happened to a progression with Lalo, Vieuxtemps, Wieniawski, Scottish Fantasy, Glazunov, Dvorak, etudes, etc to adequately prepare one's self for those concerti? Is there are a drug your mothers are taking to have ready-made violinists in utero?
Yeah, embryo violinists! Maybe the kicking is actually their bow arm
1) Benjamin Godard op.35 v.c1 Concerte Romantique
2) Vieuxtemps 7
3) Paganini 6
4) Lipinski 4
5) Joachim 2 op.11
Joke, perhaps funny?
Serious:
1) Rieding
2 Bach in G? (here stopped my solocareer)
3 Bach double
4) 2th Bartok (second violin behind in an amteurorchestra)
5) Glass (second violin behind in an amteurorchestra)
Jonathan Frohnen you made a mistake. Lalo didn’t wrote 2 but 4 violinconcerto’s. Apart from ‘the’ (well known) Lalo violinconcerto Symfonie Espagnole, there is Lalo’s violinconcerto op.20 and op.29 Concerto Russe, recorded by Olivier Charlier for Chandos : Edouard Lalo violinconcerto in F major opus 20, (violin)Concerte Russe opus 29 by Olivier Charlier, Chandos Chan 9758
And the 4th violinconcerto is the piece of Lalo for violin and orchestra Fantasie Norvegienne recorded by Philippe Griffin: Faure violinconcerto, violinconcerto Lalo Fantasie Norvegienne (3 parts for violin and orchestra), Poeme from Canteloube by Philippe Graffin, Hyperion CDA 67294
On Dutch radio they play requests the last 4 days of the year. They played 2 requests from me. Yesterday first violinconcerto op.27 from E. von Dohnanyi. Tomorrow Lalo op.20 violinconcerto !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on radio4 at 16.00 a.m.
A violinfriend who had sent (my) request they will play 6th Paganini and this morning they played 2th and 3th part of Benjamin Godard op.35 v.c. 1 Concerte Romantique.
So a lot of listeners were confronted with my obscurities.
Perhaps these violinconcerto’s will become more popular like Barber, Glass, Butterfly Lover of Chen Gang, Britten, Nielsen.
These names and concerto’s are more well known amongst violinists than forgotten names and concerto’s like Godard or Lipinski.
I am aware of all of Lalo's works for violin and orchestra...among those works he wrote only TWO violin concertos, The Russian Concerto and the F Major concerto. The others mentioned are in fact not violin concertos...although they are quite lovely ;-) The concertos by Lipinski are unfortunately very boring...as a lover and researcher of 19th century violin music, the Lipinski works in general are quite disappointing.
hahahahha Andrew :D
I find that whenever I perform a big "whammy" concerto compared to a concerto in the range of Dvorak, Mozart, Bach, Wieniawski...I do much better...
i think because I mentally think that the big whammy concertos are harder and so I prepare for them more...i dunno tho.. =/
What about the Bach double whammy...
Damn do I feel inferior - I must have really taking my time:(
Rieding
Vivaldi A
somethin' Seitz
more Seitz
Accolay
Kreutzer 13? (either that or could have been 9)
oh wait, that's 6, and I still haven't got to the "Wieniawski-Vieuxtemps-Lalo-Glasunov-Dvorak" preparation scheme, of which Glasunov and Dvorak I never played and Lalo came in the wake of both tchaikovsky and Sibelius:)
IG
Dick :)
Probably Kreutzer #13...D major, kinda corny...call me and I'll whistle it for you
Ouch:) It's a little over an hour to 2006 here in St.Pete. Have a good year everybody, I am off to drinking and re-thinking my concerto-learning tactics:)
IG
Is Temirkanov doing the White Lights Winter Solstice thing again for New Year's?
you forgot to add a "y" to "thing"!
1. Happy Fingers Concerto for Little Midgets #1
2. Happy Fingers Concerto for Overconfident Adolescents #10
3. Happy Fingers Badass Big Boy Concerto
5. Happy Fingers Concerto for Little Midgets #1 (again)
4. Happy Fingers Preparation for Tchaikovsky Concerto Concerto
Andrew,
He is doing Dark Nights Winter Horror
IG
Well Ilya... I haven't done any of those concertos. After Mendelssohn (of which I only learned the first movement up to the cadenza - for an audition) I didn't learn anything else until I did Prokofiev no2... talk about taking your time.
Some people here know like 20 of them.
Welcome all, to insultafamoussolist.com.
No one's insulting anyone...
If anything Ilya just shut up all the people who seemed to have learned Paganini when they were 2...
No one is shutting anyone up...people learn at different rates and with someone like Ilya who is such a great success, I'd say his method of attack on repertoire was perfect.
Let's see, I learned the Seitz Fifth Pupil's concerto early, but I'm not counting that one because I didn't really learn it that well and I didnt' start learning anything else until three years later. I did:
Rieding bm
Bruch gm
Mendelssohn
Lalo
Wieniawski dm
I also did Intro and Rondo Capriccioso in there, but that isn't a concerto (it felt like it at the time!) I'm only now getting to things like Tchaikovsky and beyond now though.
lol Tchaikovsky and beyond? theres beyond tchai?
Jonathan,
It is clear that there has been one-up-manship in this case, and I know alot of violinists who collect repertoire like trophies... Ilya is one of several violinists who have achieved a high standard in the art without having followed the common path to "success".
Pieter,
I'm not sure I'm understanding...are you saying that "normal" concert artists don't have a gazillion concertos under their belts? I heard that when a young soloist starts out, he/she should have at least twenty concerti ready to play on a short notice. It makes sense to me that a future concert artist would show incredible talent at a young age, and literally eat up the repetuire, giving his/her teacher the chance to give him tons of pieces, not jumping around like so many late starters have to. Just a thought, possibly bad - I'm positive you know more about this than me and I am in no way challenging you or your opinion.
Not counting the dreaded Seitz concerti, I did:
Mozart G Major
Bach a minor
Bruch g minor
Mendelssohn e minor
Sibelius d minor
I like my minor concerti don't I? Always knew I was a a bit twisted ;-P
wow mendelssohn to sibelius, big jump there
lol I didn't do them consecutively, there was a good 3 year gap there, my teacher decided it was best to lay off the big concerti for a while and tackle lots of unaccompanied Bach etc, good training for most styles of playing so I shan't moan!
Jenna,
Contemporary teachers seem to like enforcing a sequence of concertos (like Ms. DeLay), and as a result many teachers do the same... many kids follow that sequence religiously and I don't know if that promotes individuality and takes into account the student's problems/assets. What I'm saying is that Ilya is an example of someone who has reached a certain standard of playing, who clearly didn't receive a typical, cookie cutter training which seems to be prevelant nowadays.
Gotcha. That's intersting. Thanks!
Does anyone else wonder why we all learn so many concertos? I mean, what really is the value of an orchestra player, or even chamber player, knowing Lalo, Wieniawski, and Vieuxtemps? Sure, they're very idiomatically written, and one can learn a lot about the instrument from playing them. But why learn them all? After all, they're not the greatest of music-- not to denigrate them, but you can hardly compare them to Beethoven's Sonatas. And anyway, most of us will rarely if ever get to perform these virtuoso concertos with orchestra. (One semester in to college, I've already had it up to here with piano reductions.)
I'm beginning to question the pedagogical value of focusing so heavily on concertos. Do we focus on them so heavily just because they're hard, and therefore we learn the instrument well by studying them?
My first five:
Seitz G
Seitz D
Vivaldi a
Vivaldi g
Bach double
Jude, it is an interesting opinion that concertos aren't as musically valid as Beethoven sonatas... I must disagree.
Vivaldi A minor
Bach Double
Haydn Gmajor
Mendlessohn Eminor first movement
Sibelius (a fool's attempt)
Why isn't there any violintteacher who gives rarities to their pupils? Why this strange animalheardbehaviour of teaching the same pieces? Also later when professional violinist make a soloviolinconcertolist (most violinist will seldom play soloviolin but most of the time 1th or 2th violin in an professional orchestra or will become also teacher)there are often those same pieces on those similar lists.
Perhaps there is also an audience who is also interested in the not so well known violinconcerto's, which are not second ranked violinconcerto's, but unknown, because they have heard the well known popular violinconcerto's too often?
People are lazy Bram...there are plenty of great concertos, they're not going to find you! You have to find them! I was fortunate to study with teachers who taught from the Airs Varies of de Beriot, great pieces...that's what got the ball rolling for me.
Even when I offer my rare repertoire collection to performers they rarely dive in...it's too easy to make money off of the standards...Performers know this, their managers seem to know it, and the executives certainly know this.
I admire performers like Nicholas Tavani and Jason Neukom who have asked for my help. Nicholas has shown an interest in performing the Allegro de Sonate, I have sent it to him, and I sincerely hope that it is programmed in to one of his recitals.
As well Jason will be playing a not so standard program of Devilish works for one of his graduate recitals.
Bach Double, 1st and 2nd violin (first movement only)
Vivaldi A minor, G minor (learnt on my own)
Mendlessohn E minor (first movement only, and briefly)
Bach A minor (first movement)
Mozart #5 (first movement)
Hmm...should going back and learn all the other movements...that's a problem with "learning for exams"
Vivaldi A minor
Vivaldi Four Seasons (Spring, Summer, Autumn)
Viotti 22 (1st mvt)
Bach E major
Mozart G major
Hmmm, what happened to Accolay and Seitz?
Although I don't agree one should play non-mainstream violin concerti just for the fact that they are rare, I wish recording artists would do CD's that would pair a war horse, standard concerto with one that is more obscure. From a consumer's view, I would not be buying a CD of an obscure artist recording obscure pieces by obscure composers when I visit my CD store. But I would be a bit adventurous if I see a CD of an artist I like performing a well-known concerto along with something I haven't heard of before. I think Maxim Vengerov's CD with the Sibelius and Nielson concerti is a good example (although I suppose one can protest again Nielson as being 'obscure'...).
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December 27, 2005 at 10:54 AM · Küchler
rieding b minor
vivaldi a minor (opus 3 no. 6)
nardini e minor
Bach a minor