March 30, 2005 at 07:30 AM · West Australian Symphony orchestra and London Philharmonic Orchestra, which one is better? Which one has greater potential? Which one should I join?

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March 30, 2005 at 07:53 AM · London Philharmonic Orchestra of course...

March 30, 2005 at 08:51 AM · Where would you rather live? Costs of living in London are high...

Are you certain to get a place in either of them?


March 30, 2005 at 09:12 AM · In terms of getting by; probably WASO; I'm guessing that the income:expense ratio is much better in Perth than in London. (Salary is high in WA considering cost of living right?)

March 30, 2005 at 01:51 PM · If you're facing the choice between the two, for the sake of your musical career, I'd say choose the London Phil. However, if other factors like family and friends come into play, then the decision is one which only you can make. As a career move, though, being part of a big London orchestra would be a dream come true for many aspiring professionals.

March 30, 2005 at 03:20 PM · Hello,

Well, I hope this helps:

It depends if you like to work with Mathias Bamert or Kurt Masur.


March 30, 2005 at 03:26 PM · Ok, I may be biased, but the WASO is an amazing orchestra. We are one of the stronger orchestra's in Australia (Sydney, Melbourne then Perth would be the order) and Perth has a brilliant lifestyle.

Where else would you be able to live 10 minutes from Pristine beaches, 30 minutes from amazing bushland, and an hour or two from some of the world's best wineries? Add into the fact that we have a mild temperate zone (mediterranean) with not blistering hot summers (Max would be 40 on one day in the whole of summer) and mild winters (av. temps 12-20)

But of course, if you'd like to live in a really busy city, with lots of pollution and a cooky royal family, then by all means join the London Phil.

*Before reading this, take note that I am from Western Australia, and wish to move to London to join an orchestra for a couple of years before moving back to perth and raising a family.

March 30, 2005 at 05:04 PM · God, why don't I have dilemmas like this?

March 31, 2005 at 06:26 AM · Amen to that Sue...

March 31, 2005 at 05:31 PM · Well I really don't mind staying in London...just that I guess I will have to cope with new place, new people etc.

I can get a place in either of them, my auntie's in London and I am staying in Perth right now.

I heard Matthias Bamert is a nice guy to work with - yet I am not sure how's Kurt Masur's like. WASO, in my opinion is an excellent orchestra, a lot of great players, but then like Keith said, LPO would be a dream for every musicians.

SO yeah, that's why I found it hard to choose because, they are both great!

March 31, 2005 at 05:39 PM · Hi,

Hidi, when you say that you could get a job in both, do you mean that have you already one an audition to play in both orchestras?


March 31, 2005 at 05:54 PM · yeah i went for both audition, and i got accepted by both...

March 31, 2005 at 05:56 PM · So I'm highly impressed, you must be a really good player! Wow...

Getting into LPO is a dream for many of best violinists around the world

March 31, 2005 at 08:17 PM · If you are an Aussie, You won't regret either way. But I would like to encourage you to go out and explore LPO, as a budding young musician should do. Congrat!

March 31, 2005 at 09:00 PM · hmm, im about to go see masur on friday do bruckner.

They both are fantastic orchestras actually although the London has a bit mroe prestige.

March 31, 2005 at 11:12 PM · Wow Hidi, you've actually won a spot in both. Hats off to you, it sure is an impressive achievement. Congratulations, and enjoy yourself in London (or Perth, if so goes your calling)! It must be awesome to work with Kurt Masur, though. Personally, I'd jump at any such opportunity. Cheers!

April 1, 2005 at 12:42 AM · Hidi,

CONGRATULATIONS!!! That's simply awesome! I would recommend definitely that you to to London. An opportunity like that is worth it's weight in gold in the long term.

Hats off and CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

April 1, 2005 at 12:45 AM · Agreed (although I would say that, being a Londoner) - and congrats, Hidi! But be aware that the salary for London orchestral musicians is a pittance in relation to the living costs:(

April 1, 2005 at 05:55 PM · thanks guys :)

April 2, 2005 at 09:45 PM · Great achievement, do you mind telling us your musical history? Do you have absolute pitch, to what degree do you have it, when did you start, how much did you practice each day, are you a genius ;), etc.

April 30, 2005 at 06:29 AM · Congrats, Hidi! I can only dream of being in your position someday. Best of luck with whichever job you choose!

April 30, 2005 at 07:10 AM · Congratulations, Hidi. You've got to be really good to have this choice. My inclination would be to go with the London Philharmonic because, as others have said, it's an opportunity most of us only dream of. Also, if you want to change later, the London Phil experience will give you a lot of leverage. I hope you really enjoy yourself, no matter which orchestra you choose.

April 19, 2006 at 04:29 AM · Well, which?

April 19, 2006 at 05:55 AM · LPO for sure. At least you can say that you were with Masur (ex-Gewandhaus Orch chief & ex-NYPO chief). Bamert is no great shakes - nice fella but results are not musically satisfying - we have the privilege to watch him at the Malaysian Philharmonic Orchestra as prin. conductor & adrtistic advisor but has been a let down - relative to the MPO's 1st chief Kees Bakels (a finer Mahler conductor & orchestral trainer than Bamert). Bakels is not a nice man but gets better musical results than Bamert. That's why I say LPO for you.

April 19, 2006 at 05:59 AM · Hidi - if you don't mind, can you tell us about your musical background?

April 19, 2006 at 09:28 AM · that is, if she was actually telling the truth - being a west australian, you tend to know the other string players. No-one that I have talked to has ever heard of Hidi Lee apart from on this board...

April 19, 2006 at 11:11 AM · Well no-one has heard of you Benny, apart from this board as well....if Ben is your real name?

How is WASO doing with it's new Leader John Harding. Daniel Kosov must be spewing....


April 19, 2006 at 02:31 PM · John Harding is leading WASO very well I think. I do enjoy his playing, and he is also engaging in the community as well - working with the Vasek School of Violin Playing as well as the Australian String Teachers Assoc. (WA Branch) to provide masterclasses for teachers and tips on teaching. A very knowledgeable player, a great asset to the orchestra.

Yea... but there are other string players who know me. I don't think that in such a small city as Perth you can get to WASO/LPO standard and not be known.

April 20, 2006 at 03:05 AM · Do you know why Mr Harding left ANAM?...no, not the reason as stated in the Australian newspaper, the real reason. He's lucky Kossov got the boot from WASO just at the right time.....hmmm,


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