The front row might seem like the best place to get some cell-phone imagery of a world-class performer, but on Saturday night violinist Anne-Sophie Mutter would have none of that.
Mutter was was right in the middle of playing the second movement of Beethoven's Violin Concerto with the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra, with guest conductor Eun Sun Kim, when she stopped playing and pointed to the front row, according to reporter Janelle Gelfand of the Cincinnati Business Courier.
"A confrontation of several minutes ensued, with Mutter exclaiming, 'Either I will leave, or you will put away your phone and recording device,' while the person stood up and spoke to her, seeming to be pleading her case," wrote Gelfand. "Finally, CSO president Jonathan Martin appeared and escorted the disruptor out, to the applause of the audience."
After that, Mutter resumed playing the rest of the Beethoven from the second movement, followed by an encore, the Sarabande from J.S. Bach’s Partita No. 2 in D Minor.
What a remarkable turn of events.
Most symphonies and concert halls have policies against taking videos of performers onstage. The Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra's policy states: "During the performance: Phones on and silent allowed. Non-flash photography is encouraged during moments of applause. Audio and video recording is not allowed. Please be mindful that the use of smartphones and other devices during concerts can be distracting to others. Tag your photos @CincySymphony or @CincinnatiPops!"
Their policy encourages non-flash photography, but not video or audio recording. It's worth noting that such policies at such venues have changed in recent years. Before cell phones, most concert halls prohibited camera use during concerts, except by designated photographers and filmmakers who had permission (painstakingly procured). In the early days of cell phones, cell phone use was strictly prohibited during symphony concerts. They were to be turned off and stowed away.
But symphonies and other groups have come to understand the value in the Instagram photo and the Twitter tag. That Internet publicity helps generate publicity and buzz - take a photo and tag us! But don't take a video...
This is very difficult to enforce. I know that if I'm trying to get a really good photograph of someone who is in motion, I might be holding my cell phone up for a long period of time, trying to catch that moment. It might look like I'm taking a video. Likewise, a person could be taking a video and then try to argue, "But I was just taking a picture!" It's pretty hard to tell the difference. Should the ushers have to police cell-phone use during concerts? And how exactly would that work?
Also, it must be very disconcerting for a live performer to find herself or himself playing for a cellphone rather than a human face, or a sea of cellphones rather than an audience of humans. Where do we draw the line, between connecting an audience and a live performer -- and reaping the publicity from all those photos and tags on Instagram and Twitter and Facebook?
Beyond that, HOW do we draw the line?
Mutter just showed us one way. But I don't think she -- or other performers -- should have to shoulder that responsibility. I hope we can find some better solutions.
It sounds like there are some social media reports from audience members that contradict the account of this in the Cincinnati Business Journal; Classic FM quotes from them: "'The story has it wrong,' one concertgoer wrote on Instagram. 'The person with the phone stood up and was extremely embarrassed and was immediately apologizing in broken English, bowing in respect, and went out by choice crying.'"Tweet
It can also be distracting. I was once photographing (tripod and all) a concert in which my dad was piano soloist. I somehow distracted him and he messed up a measure. I really got chewed out for that at home.
Their rule states very clearly: "Non-flash photography is encouraged during moments of applause", which means you can take your photo between movements or at the end.
Using your electronic device in any ways while the music is being played is rude and should not be tolerated.
Apart from the fact that it's really rude to be holding up a cell phone for any length of time as it blocks the view and the concentration of others in the audience, if someone really wants to record the music, it's very easy to do by just turning on the voice recorder and not disturb anyone. Of course, it's not ethical or legal and shouldn't be done without permission, but people trying to take videos during a performance, especially where the performer can see it, takes nerve of a special kind and takes entitlement and rudeness to a new level. That person should be banned forever from all performances.
I read elsewhere that the person recording was literally only a few feet away from the stage. I can only imagine how disruptive it must be for a performer to have a phone almost shoved into your face.
Apart from the appalling rudeness and copyright issues: No phone recording ever can recreate the life experience of Beethoven's violin concerto or any other special occasion people choose to watch through a tiny electronic device instead of savouring every second. No recording can ever revive that magic of being in the very moment, yet people choose to spoil it for themselves and, in this case, for everyone else, too.
When I am shooting a concert (I am one of those who does so with that 'often painfully acquired' permission) it is part of my discipline to spend at least the first few moments watching, and if they see me, acknowledging, the performers before I begin to shoot. I am also well aware of not blocking the views of audience members. I am well aware that what I do can be distracting; I am there to serve the music. Part of that is working with respect to all. I wish that those who feel the need to shoot with phones would have some of that perspective. I would say to them: Of course you are excited and want to create a memory for yourself. You are also part of an event, a conversation if you will. among artists and audience. Think about that, and treat everyone with respect.
It is surprising the degree to which people have a sense of entitlement to do whatever they want, wherever and whenever they want to.
Yet at the same time those same people are aghast that their "privacy" might be violated by some digital domain.
I guess when we're in public our rights to privacy can be abrogated so that somebody can get a cool video to show their friends.
Regardless of the other issues, recording a performance without the performer's permission is stealing!
Before I took up playing a violin, I performed with my guitar in small venues here in Portland. I know what she feels regarding cellphones during concerts, and I am thrilled she called this person out. Standing in front of a crowd of people holding their cellphones in front of their faces has to be one of the most disheartening experiences for any performer. It also begs the question - why are you even doing that? To save a poorly recorded record of an event? Why? If you are going to experience something then please be present and not just a body taking up space. But I digress. . . The worst experience I had was in a small restaurant. It was a Sunday night, and the only people in the venue were three other musicians, the bartender, and myself. I went on stage first. Well, it wasn't really a stage beyond a small space where they'd removed the table and chairs and replaced them with a single chair, a microphone, and an amplifier. Hence, my audience consisted of the other three musicians and the bartender in the back of the room. Now, you'd think my "colleagues" would have the courtesy to pay attention to what I was doing. Instead, they sat at two tables, and played with their cellphones. They never looked up at me. The only time they stopped was when I finished a song, and even then they did listless claps while looking down at their devices. After about fifteen minutes of this I cut my set short. I opened my guitar case and started to pack up. One of them looked up, surprised, and said, "Can you play more? My friends aren't here yet to hear me!" Wow. At that moment, I know I could have said just about anything, and I would have been justified with my comments. However, I looked at these three "performers" and decided it wasn't worth the effort. I just shook my head, got up and walked out the door. Frankly, I encourage performers to show little mercy with this rude and selfish behavior. My son was on tour with a band in Europe. He said, for the most part, cellphones were not an issue. The vast majority of people sat or stood and listened to the music. Ironically, the only problem they had with cellphones was when one of his fellow musicians was texting with his while on stage. "In Europe, they tend to experience the music. In America, they are clueless. I miss Europe."
Just to discuss:
I never see that the pop concert or hip-hop concert or rock is stopped because of someone films it...
Do you want the classic music to be more popular? Or you want to have it for old snobs? How you gonna expose modern children to classical music if its fragments are not on facebook in the news feed?
If the new generation does not see people do go to the classical music concerts, how can they come up with an idea to go to one?
I definately thing this is a generational difference... Everyone's attention is on their mobile device. Not TV not Radio or print. I think that having cellphones and snapping clips should be allowed in concert halls as controversial as this sounds to old school people. I think it is understandable that in the front row it could be distracting. But EVERYONE records EVERYTHING on phones nowadays. PR through social media is used by almost every company, business, artist large and small... Maybe there can be concerts designated phone free or social media promotional concerts where photos, snaps, instastories is allowed. I get the old way of thinking but in the past 10 years EVERYTHING in terms of attention, PR, and technology and its time for classical music to adapt!
Good on her for calling out the cellphone user in the midst of her performance. Nothwithstanding the rules, it is so distracting to near by audience. It is plain rude and disrespectful. Pointing out a lit screen in the dark is extremely distracting to others around you. Whereas flashless photography may be allowed between movements, the use of active LCD displays should IMO be prohibited. When allowable and appropriate taking photos of stage performance should be done with respect of others around you, which can be done by turning off the LCD display, relying on the viewfinder to compose the shot and using silent electronic shutter mode with a mirror less camera for silent operation as the noise can equally be distracting to nearby audience. That should equally apply to authorized photographers.
Revisiting the symphony's policy:
"During the performance: Phones on and silent allowed. Non-flash photography is encouraged during moments of applause. Audio and video recording is not allowed. Please be mindful that the use of smartphones and other devices during concerts can be distracting to others. Tag your photos @CincySymphony or @CincinnatiPops!"
I think they need to add: "Non-flash photography is encouraged during moments of applause and is prohibited during the performance," if that is what they mean. It is implied, but it is not explicit, and rules need to be specific, especially if societal norms are different for other kinds of performances (popular music etc.), and at this point they are.
Those who are saying classical music needs to "adapt" are on the wrong track, in my opinion. PEOPLE need to realize that a musician's performance belongs to the performer -- it is not anyone's right to record or distribute it. I think most people would be RELIEVED if there would be very strict enforcement of "no phone usage" during concerts -- people think nothing of blocking the view of others by holding up their phones, or looking down at it as if the glow of the screen can't be seen by others. Maybe an announcement or prominent notice that ushers will escort out any person using a cell phone once the lights go down. People have gotten into rude and lazy habits, and they need to adjust their behavior rather than performers and concert halls accommodating that.
While I agree that if a policy is in place it should be followed and enforced. I think the response was out of proportion to the incident.
An usher going to the front with a quiet confrontation would have been ample action. Even though these policies are put into the programs, not everyone sees them or is aware of them. Yes, some people are inconsiderate and rude and need persuasion or a stiff reminder. I don't think holding up the show was the answer. As a paying spectator I believe more respect was due to the offender. This person probably payed a lot to have a front row seat.
Since I've never played a violin in this capacity and likely never will. it is highly possible I am misunderstanding the trauma a cell phone makes to a performer???? To be so upset as to shut everything down for this?? People are holding cell phones all the time.
There are plenty of ways to expose children to classical music. My orchestra plays concerts for about 30K students a year, for example--that's 30K young people who are experience live music, not bootleg video snips.
It's actually a little concerning that the orchestra's management allowed the debate to go on for several minutes. It was a clear violation of policy, and management should not have burdened the soloist with handling it.
Well, K Ch and 22.214.171.124, I beg to differ.
I know many non-classical performers who can't stand the use of cellphones and iPads during their shows. It's not a generational difference. Its a matter of manners and civility and situational ethics. Now, during hip-hop or pop concerts, where performers are loud, lights are flashing, people are yelling, dancing, and so forth, it probably doesn't matter. That's understandable. But let's not generalize. Not all performers or performances are the same, or have the same focus.
Please avoid dualistic-all-or-nothing thinking. Not everybody records everything on their phones. That's flat out absurd. There is a time to take bad videos and photos and share them on Facebook, and there is a time to sit still and listen to the music.
By the way, there is a rather popular performer named, Madonna, who bans cell phones during hear concerts. For some reason she still sells out. The Troubadour in LA bans IPads, and only allows photos as dictated by the artists performing.
It's not a matter of generational differences. Thousands of young people enjoy playing and listening to classical music. They also like other genres. It's a matter of having the flexibility to bend to the needs and logic of the moment.
A world class musician, playing the Beethoven V.C. on a Strad, in a beautiful, historic venue, that has wonderful accoustics. Come on people, live in the moment and experience it first hand and not distract from the event!
FYI - I've put in an editor's note in the story about some audience reaction that was reported on Classic FM -- audience members who were sitting close by appear to have reported on social media that the cell phone user was apologetic and left the hall in tears.
Jeff Terflinger has put it in a nutshell.
And I'd like to add that as well as being disrespectful (to say the least) towards the performer, it's also inconsiderate towards the audience. I hate having other people obstruct my view and generally distract me just because they think they are entitled to lift up and hold their gadget wherever they like and keep it there for as long as they like. How anyone can think that allowing this kind of behaviour will serve the cause of popularizing classical music is beyond me.
Adel and Madonna are able to sell tickets for hundred thousands people at ones, and that's why they do not need free promotions anymore. While way back, the social media were very helpful for Adel.
Now go to the street and ask people at the supermarket, who is Anna-Sophie Mutter...
May be in USA she is more popular than in Europe, but in Denmark i bet 2 out of 100 in best case know the answer, in Germany may be 7...
And again Andre Rieu lets people dance and smile and have fun at his performances. He will not stop the concert because of a cell-phone, for sure...
His concerts are live on tv, you can find him on youtube.
To my point of view, to stop concert for several minutes is unrespect to other several hundreds people (most of them did not see the person with the cell phone, and had a hard time to guess what was happen). So Anna-Sophie put her feelings over feelings of other hundred people.
On the other hand, she is in all newspapers... sadly most of them are for classical musicians. She better made a scandal even more absurd, so the BBC or NBC or others tell about her in the evening news...
Maybe ASM should trade some outfits with Madonna too? (Yes everybody is thinking about the same one you are...)
I remember the days when people held up butane lighters at the concerts of "popular" musicians and stood on their chairs the whole time (except the ones who were on the floor vomiting). Funny -- in those days, very few people brought cameras to concerts. Instead they bought tee shirts. The purpose of the memento is to prove you were there. The function of the cell-phone photo or video at a concert is likewise to show your "friends" how cool you were to have been there.
With all respect this girl should have instantly turned off the phone, stayed seated, and kept her mouth shut.
Live shows. Put the phone away and dont be a distractionm Let everyone enjoy the show.
Consider this. One of the greatest sporting events in the world, The Masters, prohibits cellphones and cameras on the property during the actual competition. If you are caught with a phone, you lose your tickets for life! It is amazing to attend such an event and watch genuine human interaction.
Maybe there’s a lesson here.
An orchestra member contributed yet another account (on slippedisc), according to which there ensued some confusion and the lady would not put her phone down or leave on her own, despite the audience booing.
Maybe Mrs Mutter`s alleged reaction is an indication of the immense concentration and physical and mental strength it takes to perform a violin concerto to an audience that expects nothing but the very best from you, especially with a concerto like the Beethoven that is completely unforgiving to the slightest mistake. It seems the lady had no idea either how disruptive a phone held up in front row then must be.
Just because everyone can and does live through their phone and record everything on it, doesn’t make it ok
I respectfully disagree. 30 years ago I'd go to concerts with a zoom lens+teleconverter and very high speed 35mm film, and shoot photos of artists while performing. Some of them have them on their websites today, they liked them that much. Photography and music were partners then. This one-sided account aside, this might be a tightly-wrapped prima donna showing off in front of her audience by lashing out at an (admittedly overly-enthusiastic) fan. Just consider that side before you condemn the audience member.
Wow, really quite unbelievable to stop and bother so many people even more than they would have been bothered by the phone. As a professional performer you need to withstand everything and keeping the performance on and solid. This was a pure public castigation. She lost a true fan and many other fans probably, including me. Absurd and exaggerated reaction to something so small.... I attend classical concerts 4-5 times a week. There are only people of 60 years of age and up. So stiff, so elite, so unforgiving. Like the comments section here. I'm a composer and performer myself by the way. ASM was wrong
Any live performance is owned by the performer, under international copyright law. Ms Mutter is entirely correct in this matter.
Incredible. If I had been called out in front of an auditorium full of people, I would have crawled under the chair in front of me. I cannot believe this person defended their actions in that way. Idiot.
in current exchange there are few extreme positions claiming 'it is OK to use smartphones during performance, because they are used everywhere & all the time'. We are definitely talking on the different wavelengths.
In order to come to single understanding, concert tickets should clearly print restriction of the smartphone use during performance or face the
penalty of $10,000 or 12 BTC
whichever is larger at the time. It would eliminate the disrespect OR benefit the performers for the assault.
Such monetary restriction should eliminate those who doubt if they wish to attend classical music concert with regards to the performers, composers and sacred music community.
There is 'time to sleep and there is time to dance'. Every action has its proper time and place, be it in the 19th century or the 21st.
The poster at 4:21 PM is exactly correct; ASM was entirely in the right.
I am disappointed but not surprised in the number of comments here and in other places that are defending theft.
I was sitting in the front row only a few seats down from the young girl who tried to record her. Mutter, frankly, was not playing well. Whether or not she was distracted can be argued, but the truth is, I never even noticed that any recording was going on. When Mutter stopped the show, the girl bowed to her, and in very broken English, repeated “I make mistake, I make mistake.” She was not arguing, but apologizing. The public shaming that followed was terrible. People who were way out of range of the incident booed and applauded as that young girl was led away. It was a real grandstand play that the Symphony President himself had to take her out. Mutter could have been discreet, and just waited until the end of the movement to quietly ask her to stop, or signaled a nearby usher, but she chose the public shaming, i wonder if she needed an excuse because of her inconsistent performance. iThe whole event was almost cruel. The actions of that girl might have been wrong, but I honestly don’t think she even realized that she was breaking any rules. She could not have been more than sixteen or seventeen years old, and she never even tried to hide what she was doing. In all the years I have been attending concerts, I have never seen anything so upsetting.
I really think it is stupid to regard small pieces of facebook translation as a theft action.
Ballet dancers, figure skaters even mr. Bold never would be so popular if people do not share how wonderful dancer/skater/sportsman is. And in our days it happens via social media using video and audio files.
Shaking-hands video from the training of a new skater star brings more people to the holes on competition days...
None will listen to a full concert of handmade cell-phone records. If people like the small piece, they go to i-tunes and buy it to have it all in the good quality.
But they never buy ASM records, because they do not have classical pieces in the feed. They have hip-hop concerts excerpts instead... so they go and buy that...
Of cause, AMS was in her right. But does she need to be right? Was it crucial to be right? What did she save? What benefit for herself did she get? What benefit for the entire classical music did she get?
Performing is her work. Imaging, that a doctor would stop the surgery in the middle of transplantation because noticed in the window, that someone broke in his car... i do not defend theft, i don't.
I am saying that entire attitude should be changed.
This particular situation could (and should) have been handled in a way that did not cause such a "display," and the public humiliation of this young girl; however, I am tired of people feeling they're entitled to do whatever, wherever they desire. Why should people who want to enjoy the concert have their experience ruined in the name of "broadening the audience?" Gaining new audiences is great, and should be a goal in fact; however, this should not be done by "dumbing-down," and therefore cheapening and ruining the experience for others. I'd like to ask some concert goers: "Are you hear to talk to your companion, eat, take pictures, etc., or hear the performance?!"
We need to educate the audiences better, it seems. The answer is not to allow any sort of "capture" during the performance unless, perhaps, a performance is advertised with that as an allowable activity.
There are very few occasions in modern life when we have the opportunity to be wholly present in a place - especially with a group. It is a feature of live orchestral performance, not a bug. When in the audience, I find it terribly distracting if another audience member is doing anything active at all - especially with a lit-up screen. I actually find myself getting angry that they are not joining in "our" part, the audience part. For example, it takes the whole audience to allow a silent moment - and it is magical when it happens. The comparison to pop music concerts is not useful. Those are done with mics and amps and often flashy lighting - not the same thing at all. As I said, perhaps we could do some concerts with different interaction with the audience. (BTW - we sell 250± student to every classical performance so we have plenty of young folks who don't seem to need their phone every second!)
We surely agree that Ms. Mutter is an exceptional artist and the spiriruality of Beethovens Violin Concerto is beyond discussion,and
the behavior of a young girl ( teenager? devout fan?) was during the concert was, , to say the very least, unthoughtul!
And yet the harm done was of no major sigificance; Ms. Mutter and the orchestra could resume and, I understand, play better than ever.
But the humiliation the girl suffered was really out of proportion, a humilaton in front of a large public and then led out of the hall as some sort of criminal. Was there really no other way in which this episode could have been resolved? Perhaps an official could have approached quietly and helped to put her things under her seat or on the floor and sit down? The people sitting beside her could have , seeing her difficulty ,helped. I find it quite difficult to understand that there was no other means than causing a young person a humiliation which she may carry with her for many years to come. I cannot imagine how she felt standing alone outside
the concert hall after being expelled
(I am aged 90 years and have been a professional conductor and violinist, kapellmästare, all my working life. Danbel
People are getting all intense about this situation in regards to the person using their phone. Yes it is not proper theater etiquette to do so, but there was no reason for Ms. Mutter to stop in the middle of her performance to go on.
First of all, where were the ushers? They aren't there just to hand out programs and check tickets. They are also there to enforce concert policies such as video/photography of performances. Some ushers are there as volunteers and some are being paid,but regardless it is their job.
Also, what does this do for the image of classical music? This makes us all seem like snobs who go to concerts and expect everyone to sit quietly and not move a muscle while the performance is going and remember not to clap between movements. It used to be that people would go to opera performances and would eat and drink and socialize while the opera was being performed. So why has that changed? Are people who have never been to a classical music concert going to want to come after this? Just a thought.
to me the issue here is not the girl who was video recording and maybe became the victim of her own innocence but the concert organizers who allowed that to proceed.
The Editor Laurie Niles suggested new policy on the subject:
"During the performance: Phones on and silent allowed. Non-flash photography is encouraged during moments of applause. Audio and video recording is not allowed..."
To me this is not the way to go: once you allow people to engage the video recording Tool, say goodbye to self-restraining. Where does the applause end and performance start or otherwise? No kidding ?? If the organizer wants video bits from the event be on social media, the organizer should record them and place on social media themselves. Audience may engage those tweets, fb messages. So NO RECORDING ALLOWED is the way to go.
'destroying an eagle egg is 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine'. Why here should be a difference?
Classical music - is the Final Bastion of Free Music Expression. Most other fields are envaded with video recording 'rights'. Only by defending the Sanctity of Music Meditation and the Highest Moment of Musical Concentration we will preserve the Holiness & Purity of the Classical Music Space for our children and future generations. And Please, don't compare the Sanctuary of Walt Disney hall & the stadium or large concert venues. We are talking about subtle acoustic shifts in a Single Vibration, not the powered massive sounds.
Did you ever try to play (not Conduct! not Listen! to Play!!) a single sound on a violin? ?? Try! Not mentally, for real, with your own hands.
You will experience how many things go into that one bow stroke.
It's the whole adventure for sure to play one clean sound w/o a squeak.
And if you will connect 3-4 sounds you will be amazed and proud.
Ms Mutter was unprofessional, as inferred by others here, she should have had the professionalism to ignore and carry on regardless. Was she scapegoating to cover up what some have said was a poor outing? Whatever it is, she has only reinforced negative stereotypes towards classical musicians being snobby and elitist, well done ASM!
I am curious to know if any opinions have changed with the new information about the actual incident, what ASM did was barbaric, I for one will forgo her work regardless, her lack of integrity, lack of self control and the sliding into an authoritarian ogre cancel out all hard work she has done.
I was at the concert and witnessed the incident from the balcony. The woman recording was in the front row directly in front of the soloist, no more than 10-15 feet away from her. Since I'm not a violinist, I can only imagine the concentration needed to perform the Beethoven Violin Concerto. During much of the performance, ASM closed her eyes and, during the parts where only the orchestra played, sometimes swayed with the music. To this audience member, ASM seemed to be almost in a trance at times. It must have been very disturbing for her to open her eyes and see the audience member holding up the cell phone to record. Apparently, the recording had been going on for some time.
While the recording audience member may have been apologetic, she extended the interruption by not leaving as ASM was clearly requesting by motioning gently toward the aisle with her bow. Only after the CSO president, who had been seated nearby, got involved and cleared the 4-5 seats between the recorder and the aisle, apparently in preparation for physically intervening did the offender leave her position standing in front of her seat.
This incident was disturbing to watch and was obviously very disturbing to the performance. Not mentioned in the discussion above is that the recording concertgoer violated the "what if everybody does it?" rule. Overall, I sympathize with ASM's action and feel that escorting the recorder out was appropriate.
In regards to 59's question about whether opinions have changed with more info: I still believe Ms. Mutter was in the right to stop the performance and ask that the young lady stop recording. However, after the young lady apologized and agreed to stop, an extended tongue-lashing is ungracious. Now it makes sense to me why the interruption went on for "several minutes" without anyone (conductor, ushers, orchestra members, etc.) intervening. They did not want to participate in the scolding, but it would have been bad manners to contradict Ms. Mutter publicly. But, this is all speculation, as I was not there.
@Katrina Carrico, seem like snobs? You are too polite.
@126.96.36.199 said, "Only by defending the Sanctity of Music Meditation and the Highest Moment of Musical Concentration we will preserve the Holiness & Purity of the Classical Music Space for our children and future generations."
Oh give me a break! Sanctity? Holiness? Sounds like we're talking about religion. If this is a religion I have no interest in drinking the koolade.
Bravo Anne! Encore! Encore!
We need to keep throwing out these spoilt entitled millennials who think they have every right to do everything and can trample all over other people (performers and audience) who have no rights.
@K ch and others like him... go to YouTube and see official video clips of Anne.
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October 1, 2019 at 04:48 AM · It needs to be said that taking video at a symphony orchestra concert is not only rude, it is stealing. Musicians are entitled to compensation for recordings of their performances, especially if those recordings are then uploaded to a platform that is accessible to the public.