I was just wondering if anyone has ideas or opinions on how to play tenths lower down the fingerboard,in a reasonably relaxed fashion.I have been doing some of the exercises in
Simon Fischers ''double stopping'' scale book,and they are very good.The other day I tried putting my third finger down behind the fourth finger(on the same string),and this seemed to help a little....(I guess the 3rd finger was pushing most of the string down,and the 4th was doing the correct note)
Any opinions on this?
If you start with the 4th finger and make sure it is not too tense, you can actually stretch the 1st finger pretty far back without becoming tense, or at least overly so. Also, make sure you are not doing anything weird with your wrist like exaggerated torquing or twisting. Work slowly and pay special attention to relaxation, and you should be able to gain some facility. It's a little tricky in keys with b-flats, but when descending (shifting down), you should be able to keep the 4th finger relatively quiet, while the 1st finger is moving to accommodate the wider space.
Just hope you are not trying this on your own, it is the kind of thing that can cause injuries....
Likewise if you are in a situation where your first finger is already set, move your thumb up.
I second starting with the fourth finger.
Tenths? Trying to giv'em up!
Yes, in the lower positions it is much easier to do by placing the 4th and then reaching back. Pretty standard technique. I would just add that a little bit a day in the beginning is all you need. It takes a while for most people to get this stretch into the hand. It may feel impossible at first, but then didn't everything else on the violin when you first learned it?
Looking at the Caprices of Paganini, one can see that he well understood the idea of reaching back, as it's reflected in the writing.
Tenths lower down are largely the same, physically, as tenths further up. It's just a larger stretch.
Regardless of what you're doing, always make sure to warmup your fingers first. If you have short fingers, it's really easy to twist them in unintended ways, especially if moving up and down the fingerboard, in which friction could affect your hand structure.
Advice from my teacher was; start with the minor tenth. In fifth position find the 1-4 octave F-F on the A-E strings. Then pull the first finger back to D; it will probably be on it's side, like a cellist or Guitarist. The major 10th in first position and the 2-4 octave are still beyond me, either too far or out of tune. Using the third finger behind the fourth too help depress the string is standard bass technique but hardly necessary for violin. Perhaps your bridge is too high ?
I think there's an exercise you can try with tenths: