Starting on up bow - bow bounces
I find it difficult to start a phrase on an up bow, especially near/at the very tip. The bow bounces a couple millimeters before settling, and it is very obvious, both visually and audibly.
Any suggestions would be deeply appreciated :)
(And please excuse my awkward English :p)
Do you have a teacher? The way my teacher cured the dreaded bow bounce at the start of the note was to practice holding the tip end (for example) of the bow stationary for a few seconds in contact with the string by the weight of the relaxed bowing arm. "Relaxed" is very important, because any stiffness in the bowing arm will translate into a bounce. Gently wriggle the bow into the string so that you can feel the "bite", then start moving the bow with the relaxed arm. You should get a tone with no bow bounce.
What Trevor said.
If the note is short, start closer to the frog. Only start at the tip if you must use the whole bow for the note due to length. Also, make sure your arm isn't too high or low. I agree with the others.
We can't see what you're doing, or not doing, but one other thing to watch is how taut your bow hairs are. If you over-tighten the bow, or if the hairs become too taut on their own during a session, this can contribute to unwanted bow-bounce.
Well, your English is ok, but I’m afraid to say that you’re not telling what your exact problem is. You’d better have written a specific example.
Yes, I have a teacher. She corrected my bow hold that my previous teacher didn’t bother to fix and also showed me bow exercises to do daily (windshield wiper, writing something in the air).
Do you put the bow on the string before playing, or do you start the stroke ‘from the air’?
When I started violin lessons my teacher deliberately referred to my bowing as "aeroplane landing". A 'plane when it lands often bounces a bit - so there's the connection. Then she started a series of lessons on how to start a note from a stationary bow engaging the string, the aim being to progress to the stage where the "stop" of the bow on the string is almost infinitesimal, but is still there. When that art has been mastered then the player will have the bowing control to be able to start a stroke "in the air", if the music demands it, without incurring a bouncing disaster.
hi Lillian, perhaps it can be as simple as starting from the string, not above the string?
Jean, thanks for your suggestion, but the problem is that the bow bounces even when I start from the string. It’s the action when I put the bow down that makes it bounce.
Make sure that you have enough weight into the string before the bow starts moving. It sounds to me like you have tension in your bow hand where the force is wasted squeezing inward on the frog and stick instead of natural relaxed weight laying into the string. That results in the hair gliding on the surface of the string rather than pressing into the string. This can result in the bouncing you are describing. At the tip of the bow, you need more weight than anywhere else to fully engage the string, so make sure to lean into your first finger a bit for the "bite" at the beginning of the note.
‘It’s the action when I put the bow down that makes it bounce.’
“the problem is that the bow bounces even when I start from the string”
This problem is an opportunity. I think that with your teacher or another teacher . You would benefit from a complete review of your bowing and the realisation that maintenance and development of bowing is an ongoing activity .
you're probably not pronated enough. Put the bow on the string at the tip. Then remove your little finger and ring finger from the bow. When you do this there will be plenty of pressure. Do this a few times and then recreate the feeling with all fingers on the bow. practicing like this can also correct the problem of the release of pressure while doing the detach´bow stroke.
thank you Bruce, it is always great to have your expert contributions, very to the point, to technical discussions on this forum! Lillian: Roman tells you to learn to place the bow gently, but I think it is also at the same time important to learn to catch the string with the bow. catching means place the bow on the string so that you can move it a fraction of a millimeter left and right without slipping.