Luthiers: what do you do when you finish a violin and realize it sounds bad?
I have a question for luthiers. If after many days or weeks you finally finish a violin, and realize it doesn't sound that good, what do you do?
I also have other questions. Do you charge normally the same price for your violins mostly counting the hours spent, or does the final sound greatly affect the price?
Also, is a violin symmetrical?
I mostly mean if the fingerboard is right in the middle, so is the scroll, button, etc...
Finally, what's the most difficult piece or process to make that you can mess up in just a second?
The top or bottom that you can mistakenly make too thin? May be the scroll? Fitting the neck may be?
on violins I restore, I lower the price.
Sounds like trouble shooting your instrument is something that should be done.
Sell it at the same price. Someone will come along who thinks it's the best thing they ever heard.
I had a friend who made violins. At some point about 23 - 27 years ago I would play them "in the white," before they were varnished. He had developed his own ground and oil-varnishing process - but he would know what to expect before that final process.
" I have a question for luthiers. If after many days or weeks you finally finish a violin, and realize it doesn't sound that good..."
"What can you mess up in a second - bass bar, sound post, bridge, nut, fingerboard, tailpiece, saddle, f-holes, etc.."
Oh yeah, the 3D of the plates would definitely be the one of the biggest "oh crap!". Actually, the plates, ribs, and neck would cause a big curse considering the cost of things now. Plates and neck work-wise. However, I did see someone make a violin with the neck cut into some strange loop- I'll have to look for a picture of it.
@Jim Auckerman when you said "Sounds like trouble shooting your instrument is something that should be done.", I read that as 'Sounds like trouble; shooting your instrument is something that should be done.' I got really scared for a moment!
ha ha ha! sorry about that, got to love typos.
Hahaha, that was funny. If the violin sounds like trouble... man, just shoot it. Or even better, call it viola. Sorry I had to say it.
"Kiddu", good aim is always an asset, when it comes to intentionally shooting anything. ;-)
call it a viola - you watch too much of 2Set, but hey who doesn't
Tim, I'd answer in more detail, but I'm busy carving. ;-)
Exactly, one thing I though is "would I buy a new repaired violin?", hahaha.
I think I miss-interpreted Tim's use of the word "finish!"
a-huh, violinist, wild ones... bad influences...
OK I'm so sorry but I don't understand none of your last 2 messages. I fixed the sentence so there's no finish word anymore.
Just carrying on the joking. You can disregard if you like.
If it's a real dog I'd remove all traces of its origin from within and without, perhaps including scrubbing off my DNA, stick an outlandish STRADIVARIOUS (sic) label inside and sell it anonymously for whatever on eBay.
If you think you can scrub off your DNA, you probably ARE just dreaming - They'll find it, if they want to.
I heard they are going to test all violas for dna, and if it belongs to someone laying claims to being a violinist, they will throw them out of the violin section. I also heard the first two they found are named Brett and Eddy.
There once was a thread on Maestronet about this. I remember one luthier after some trying to improve the blasted thing took it to the yard and shot it with a shotgun.
"There once was a thread on Maestronet about this. I remember one luthier after some trying to improve the blasted thing took it to the yard and shot it with a shotgun."
*Takes antique Winchester shotgun. Apply antique bullet with fine green patina finish onto wood
Thrown out of the violin section because your DNA was found on a viola? Come to the viola section. We will nurture you. We will cherish you. We will help you rebuild your broken soul. But come. Please. We need you. Anybody.
"what do you do when you finish a violin and realize it sounds bad?"
I remember visiting a luthier when I was a kid and my violin needed repairs. He told us that if he made a bad sounding instrument it went right into the fire and heated him twice. He said he did not want any bad sounding instruments getting out and tarnishing his name.
Wow, some tough policy right there Timothy.
They add $5000 to the price tag and try to make some connection to Cremona... More people fall for this than you'd think!
Of course, Stradivari never did send me the Messiah out the door, did he?
Change your name to something that sounds Italian and charge twice the original price.
Ohh we're forgetting the crucial "it's a new violin, it'll open up!"
Aren't they renamed 'student' violins?
Put a competitors label in it and sell it. ;-)
Hahahahaha, you have the evil inside, David!
Or you could say it's from your "workshop".
I think the proper procedure is to break it over your knee dramatically at your workbench while live streaming on Facebook.
If it only sounds okay, surely someone could still play it, so destroying it is such a waste. Labeling it as a "workshop" instrument and selling it for less seems better than nothing.
But then you would be lying...
When a good maker has a lot of experience, he will be consistent about sound. That includes knowing very well the model, the wood, consulting notes about weight and tap tones of plates, etc.
If you have someone else fit the pegs then it's a workshop instrument.
I always find it funny when violinists joke about violists . In comparison to violas violins practically play themselves. When you hear a Violist who can make musical poetry then you've found a real string player !
Martin made the only comment that gets near the truth of the situation . If a violin doesn't work as it should do then it's not finnished .
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