Do my fine tuners look normal?
This is my first post.
I am still a novice even though i have owned, for more than twenty years, an acoustic 4/4 with a sticker/label in the body which says:
GEIGENBAUMEISTER in Mittenwald/Bayern
Modell no. 2231
There is no date marked beside Jahr on the label. It's blank. I was told it's a student violin.
I bought this violin, second hand, in 1990, at a Long & McQuade music store in Toronto, for $280.00.
But that's NOT really why i am here.
I only mention the Schroetter because the place in the tailpiece which holds the ball end of the string looks very different compared to my "new", second-hand, 4/4 Cecilio electric violin i had bought just yesterday, online.
I paid only $40.00 for it, from a Norwegian guy who had bought it, but was selling all of his music gear because he's going back to Norway. He tried his hand at violin and decided he didn't like it. So now, i got it.
Cecilio's website says that the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price is USA $499.00.
Anyway, this is why i am here:
The Cecilio was missing the A-string.
So, i went and bought a string and tried to install it.
Problem is, the fine tuners don't seem to have a proper slot or "claw" through which to pass the strings. It's not the same style of fine tuners as on the Schroetter.
I can see how it's supposed to go in but the "tongs" which hold the ball end seem to be too close together, as if they were squeezed together. I can't figure it out because i am new to this. And i don't want to go fooling around with it in case i break something.
I uploaded the photos to my Robbie Daug Facebook page because photo bucket is getting ahead of itself.
My FB profile photo is of Banksy's Chimpanzee Thinker.
So, i am asking if anyone here could help me figure it out.
Uhh, no, that doesn't look right.
Looks like someone has gone after those tuners with a pair of pliers and pinched the ears together. Simple enough to just replace them......
Replacing the fine tuners is a good idea; those appear to be the worst kind of tuner anyway. If that were my violin and I wanted to keep four fine tuners, I'd get one of those tailpieces with the tuners built in. That way the afterstring lengths aren't messed up, and you don't risk digging a gouge in the top of the violin when the tuner gets too far down.
You can use a dinner knife to pry the tongs apart then bend the knife side to side until the tongs are the proper distance apart, if you break anything you were going to replace them anyway. A whole new tailpiece with inbuilt fine tuners is the other option, but I don't see how you are going to get those strings out without widening the tongs.
I'd pay $40 for any violin that basically works. You got a good deal for sure. I'm with Lyndon -- pry the tongs apart. If you break it then Mary Ellen's suggestion of installing a Wittner tail piece can be your plan B -- not expensive, might be $100 including labor. When you buy your violin for $40 you better get used to the idea that replacing a tiny part costs more.
Robbie, it's worth considering, if you have only one steel string (the E), to have just the one fine tuner for the E and tune the others from their pegs. If the pegs are fitted properly and are in good condition this is an effective and reliable tuning system.
Having just an E tuner is of course the overwhelming preference among professionals, but I would strongly suggest that a beginner keep four fine tuners. Learning to tune with the pegs is a skill all its own.
The reason to keep a tuner for the E string is that typically the adjustment necessary for the string is very small. Basically the opposite of your guess. :-). Also, E strings are very thin and break easily. Too much up-and-down motion as one gets tuning with a peg would be destructive.
Shar has a video that shows you how to put new strings on.
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