Hate (edit, Dislike) flesch scales
Just a general post on my thoughts on scales, I like playing scales. I play them a lot, but I don't know. just not Flesch. FYI I'm not an advanced player, about intermediate level.Or advanced beginner maybe.
I really like sevcik scales. I play those a lot. I don't play any different bowings or rhythms, i just play plain separate bows, focusing on shifts and intonation. (3 oct)
I think its mainly about the structure, i like that Sevcik has the excercises organized by type of excercise (i.e. arpeggios, 3 octave scale, octaves, thirds etc.) rather than by key.
I like to pick one excercise, say one string apreggios, and play through several or all keys. But with flesch, i try picking a key and playing through, but i never end up playing much. also. I find it much harder than Sevcik for some reason. Dont know why, Everything seems very hard.
Maybe im just not a good enough player (yet) to appreciate/be able to play flesch?
After reading rave reviews I also bought Simon Fischer's Scales, but that was worse than flesch. Its really weird. How it breaks down the scale. Didn't like it at all. But to be fair i didn't try it very hard. Also I am studying on my own without a teacher.
Planning to try Galamian now.
Anyone else like Sevcik?
For my students, I prefer Barbara Barber's Scales for Advanced Violinists.
I think people often introduce Flesch Scales too early. Sounds like it could be the same in your case.
For me, scale book is like a fitness routine -- the good one is the one you like and will stick with. :)
Flesch is just one of many. It's popular because a lot of people do prefer the key organisation. As long as your preferred system covers all the necessary technical skills, it shouldn't be a problem.
Honestly a lot of people use Flesch just for the fingerings of the 3-octave scales and arpeggios. There are lots of other ways to get those. Barbara Barber's scale book is very good. If you're just doing all your scales detache, you're missing a lot of what scales can teach you. Ask your teacher to show you how to do "Galamian acceleration" with slurs.
I have went trough the Flesh scales quite a few times, one scale per day, but almost never 2 cycles of 24 scales in a row.... why? First of all, one has to warm up well before even starting with scales on 1 string. Depending on the key, Flesh sometimes rigidly wrote a scale on 1 strings very, very high on the fingerboard. It seems to me that he, or his assistant used piano to write those scales!
For most of my students the Barber scale book is completely sufficient, only those who want to pursue a performance career (a tiny number) profit from Flesch. I do wish Barbara Barber had included doublestop scales in minor keys.
I tend to agree with Yixi on this. I don't think it matters as much which scale system you attach yourself to, as long as you consistently practice it.
It sounds like your expectation and desires about playing the violin may be the issue, and not the scales.
I also dislike the Flesch book, and actually got rid of it. The optimum fingering depends on the context; rhythm and bowing matter.
Scott's comments are right on. If you don't like pipe wrenches, you don't understand the trade you are in or how to use tools. If you don't do push ups, you won't get strong triceps.
The Flesch scales will NOT help "any level" especially the beginner. They need first to just learn where the half steps are and internalize major and minor patterns.
Really useful.point about the metronome Scott. Indeed, when i want to work on intonation, on shifting, on the mechanics of the bowing within an etude or the piece im working on, the metronome isnt useful there...it would get in the way. Even sometimes just playing a piece entirely without a metronome to focus on the fluidity of the piece. But of course, the metronome has its crirical place...but not dw facto everywhere
The great thing about Fischer's "Scales" book is that he shows you what you should be working on
Thanks for the replies all.
I recommend trying to be able to do every 2 octave scale - major, minor, harmonic minor, melodic minor - by ear before messing with any scale method.
Have you tried Barbara Barber's Scales for Young Violinists?
@Erik Williams. Thanks for the response. I can play all 3 octave scales by ear.
I have really enjoyed Kerstin Wartberg's book, Enjoying Violin Technique. Especially the way it breaks down the Flesch scales on 1 string (exercises 1-4). It also includes some very nice accompaniments for most of the exercises.
Totally agree with Eric. I also think a lot of people introduce Flesch way too early. I also agree that 2-octave scales before 3-octave scales makes sense.
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