Opinion about this Ebay violin

May 21, 2017, 4:05 AM · Hi,

I am currently looking to upgrade my stduent level chinese violin. I am from Mauritius and there are no local luthiers and nothing better than my violin found in local shops.

I am very tempted to buy an instrument over ebay.
I found this listing in the auction. I contacted the seller for a violin being played on video with no reply as yet.

Would this be a playable intrument if not really as glorious as described?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/162515704380?_trksid=p2060353.m1431.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Replies (24)

May 21, 2017, 4:24 AM · Looks like a Markneukirchen/Schoenbach production violin worth about $1000 IF it sounded good and was set up properly, which it might not be, definitely not Italian, the seller is a notorious fraudster, who will probably be bidding on his own violin in the last few minutes to drive the price up.
Edited: May 21, 2017, 4:35 AM · 100% fake label, poor wood for the top, therefore will not be able to be projective.
Worth a few hundreds, maybe 1k.
Edit: Oh, Lyndon was faster ;)
Edited: May 21, 2017, 4:42 AM · Thank you. So would it even be worth it being a german violin after being setup ? It would definitely sound better than a starter chinese violin right?
May 21, 2017, 4:46 AM · Wow, I just read the text written to this article. This is advanced bs on highest level! The sound sample is hilerious too!
May 21, 2017, 4:48 AM · Without beeing able to test it before buying my max would be at $250 or something like this.
Others might pay more but its gambling
Edited: May 21, 2017, 5:03 AM · Given your situation I would recommend someone that at least has a decent reputation, Corilion violins, if you are looking for an antique, there really are no bargains for non experts on ebay, just a minefield of fake this and overpriced that(almost all poorly set up), with the very occasional good deal that only an expert could recognize, my 2 cents, I think Corilion advertises on this site, I think they're in Germany.
May 21, 2017, 5:08 AM · Thank you Lydon and Marc! Just another seller I came accross: Ames-anciennes, who seem to have a workshop in toulouse, they even have videos of their violins being played? how does that look to you?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/ames-anciennes/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=

May 21, 2017, 5:21 AM · Ok, I found Corilon:

http://www.ebay.it/sch/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=corilon_violins&_sop=2

Which violin would you recommend? My budget is really only upto $500 I'm afraid. My other option is to go for a Gliga violin when i travel this summer? thank you for your help !!

May 21, 2017, 5:40 AM · I can look later, just quickly:
If you buy at corillons (yes, they are German and I have been there several times, very nice people) buy from their webpage. Its cheaper than at ebay.
May 21, 2017, 5:57 AM · Ames annciennes does seem to be a fairly reputable establishment, their appraisals don't normally set off my BS meter, but having only $500 is really tough, I suggest you find a way to save up to $1000 then either of these sellers might have something you could afford, for $500 I don't think they are going to have anything, maybe the JTL ames is selling, but it will probably go for more.
Edited: May 21, 2017, 6:04 AM · Those Corilion violins you are linking to at auction appear to need repair work, so beware of that. Some of them are pretty cheap instruments too.
May 21, 2017, 6:04 AM · Thank you. I checked their website and I ma considering this one:
http://www.corilon.com/shop/en/item756_1.html

However please let me know what you think of Ames-Anciennes, they seem to be selling some attractive Mirecourts violins.

Thanks again :)

May 21, 2017, 6:05 AM · Thank you. I checked their website and I ma considering this one:
http://www.corilon.com/shop/en/item756_1.html

However please let me know what you think of Ames-Anciennes, they seem to be selling some attractive Mirecourts violins.

Thanks again :)

May 21, 2017, 6:14 AM · That corilion violin has already sold and would not be a good deal, by 1950 most production German violins were of dismal quality, overly heavy, and lacking in tone, you'd do better with a Chinese import than that violin IMHO

I already told you what I think of Ames annciennes, retail pricing, not overpriced, and probably accurate apprasials.

May 21, 2017, 6:16 AM · The Corilion Neuner and Hornsteiner would be a good violin, I would guess, if you can afford it, its an auction, not a buy it now, check on the condition, is it set up properly ready to play, or for restoration??
May 21, 2017, 8:15 AM · Im sorry i didnt refresh the page and did see the your opinion about ames..
Well this one is ending soon:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-ANTIQUE-FRENCH-VIOLIN-MADE-BY-LABERTE-CA-1930-LISTEN-WATCH-NO-RESERVE/232331888376

I could bid for a maximum of $600 for this. If that could be a good violin for that price?

May 21, 2017, 8:15 AM · Im sorry i didnt refresh the page and did see the your opinion about ames..
Well this one is ending soon:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-ANTIQUE-FRENCH-VIOLIN-MADE-BY-LABERTE-CA-1930-LISTEN-WATCH-NO-RESERVE/232331888376

I could bid for a maximum of $600 for this. If that could be a good violin for that price?

May 21, 2017, 8:40 AM · i don't think you understand how the auction process works, most of the bidding occurs in the last few seconds, I would guess this will go for 1000 or more, not that it isn't worth it, but thats close to full retail for 1936, The valuable Labertes are quite a bit older.
May 21, 2017, 9:44 AM · "My other option is to go for a Gliga violin when i travel this summer? "

Might be the best approach.

May 21, 2017, 10:13 AM · I would check out amati.com You'll see some interesting prices. I think stuff that is cosmetically rough goes quite cheap. Watcha think folks?
May 21, 2017, 10:23 AM · On second look on ames annciennes listings, looking at the German violins, which I know something about, his prices are about double what I might charge, and they falsely appraise a Markneukirchen production violin as a much more valuable Mittenwald Ludwig Neuner, so exnay on the recommendation, I'm no expert on French violins but I know the difference between cheap Markneukirchen and more expensive Mittenwald construction.
May 21, 2017, 6:11 PM · And the sound sample...is a viola piece...
May 21, 2017, 7:35 PM · it got sold for $650.... I had just been observing how much the past violins were sold in ames and had come to this conclusion..

There are 2 more Mirecourts ending in a few days, I guess I'll watch over those.

May 21, 2017, 7:50 PM · yeah, I was wrong, its acting less like a regular auction and more like an auction where the seller is bidding up his items

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