Simon Ficher Scales
Id like to ask how come in Fischer's book Scales, in the one octave section, there aren't all the keys written out, although Fischer states that that he follows Carl Flesch in writing out all the scales...unless I'm missing out on something. Thanks
Sorry, I meant the two octave scales and arpeggios. There are only the folliwing keys:
I don't have the book in front of me but the only reason I can think of is because these two-octave scales are meant to convey specific learning objectives for scales in general, and maybe the missing keys are not needed for that before moving on to three-octave scales.
It's an error and I can see how it happened when his book is based on more than one scale systems. For what I can see, the key order of his one, three and four octaves is based on the notes of violin strings GDAE, from the lowest note G and goes up Ab/G#,A, Bb, etc.(Galamian system). But his order of the two octave scales is based on Flesch's system. The order starts from C instead of G, then changes based on the number of "b" and "#". The problem seems that Fischer didn't follow Flesch's scale system all the way for two octave scales consequently he missed keys of G, Ab, A, Bb and B. I am not surprised with such errors, as I find his books could benefit from some more careful editing efforts.
Paul, Simon Fischer explicitly states in his introduction that he will write out all the scales after he noticed that students were less likey to play all scales if not written out like flesch had done. So, i see it from Yixi's point of view. Also why write out 9 then choose to exclude 4? I mean its not worth not including them at that point. Same for the 2 missing one octave arpeggios with 11 present. Unless im not understabding the point
He missed five keys (G, Ab, A, Bb and B) instead of four. He doesn't provide index for the
Oh yes Yixi. You're right. G major i forgot.
Arguably, the two octave section has its special purpose; that is, rather than being used as a usual two octave scale book, it is specifically designed for learning unified intonation by using different fingers on the same notes(see note 6 on page 3).
A wise man once told me the author of a book should never prepare his or her own index.
Yixi, all of the exercises leading up to the three octave scales have their special purposes; but I do not think that their purpose has much to do with the decision of-or oversight in-leaving out some scales. Again, Fischer specifically mentions in his introduction that he will include all scales (and not just for the three to four octave ones) and this seems to be the ethos of the book.
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Thank you Neil
Dear violinist.commies, my attention has been drawn to this thread, and I have been urged to correct the misconceptions stated here.
Thanks for the explanation, Simon! Love the book.
Thanks a lot Simon. Im very glad it was my misunderstanding as I think your book is quite unique. I agree that an added note would be helpful although I should have paid closer attention to the explanatory text. Again many thanks for the explanation..and for your book/s.
Thank you so much for the explanation and for taking the time to answer our questions. It is truly appreciated.
Thank you, Simon, for detailed explanation. I've got a slightly different question regarding your other scale book, the
Simon great to have had you on the forum (although you will probably not read this anymore ;-) To Yixi: In Basics, the part on Intonation, the last section, that is specifically on 4ths, with four exercises.
Simon and Jean, thank you! I re-read the intro of the
I feel like someone needs to write a book called "Every Scale Ever."
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