Teacher play with student?
Is this a correct violin teach method if a teacher play same thing with his student most time in the lesson?
Why don't you ask BAM drectly? For what they charge for an industrial product, they should have some form of customer service...
Dimitri I think you might have clicked on the wrong thread...
Jason, it is hard to answer as for some students it may actually help a lot, but I dont know good teachers generaly doing so (does not mean they are impossible to exist). If this is the only teaching method the teacher uses on all students I would be suspicious.
"Why don't you ask BAM drectly? For what they charge for an industrial product, they should have some form of customer service..."
I play with my students sometimes, but it depends on the student. I hardly ever do this with my best students. I'm much more likely to use it as a technique (but certainly not the only technique) with a student who is struggling with school or youth orchestra music that is really a little too hard for that student. But with those students I drop out as soon as possible, or work with them "follow the leader" style on chunks as soon as they have a grasp of where the shifts are--I play first, they play after me.
Yeah, thats (prep for orchestra) the commom situation where you trach to play along or do nice shortcuts.
I used to love, when my teacher played the pieces with me, because it sounded so much better back then and it gives you rhythmical security and a good idea of intonation. But methodically I prefer, when the teacher plays a second melody rather than the same. That will give a rhythmical and harmonical structure as well and still the student has to play his or her melody on his or her own.
I think it is good to play with students who haven't yet developed their own sound and are still working on a sense of pitch. It helps motivate them and guide/fine tune their ear.
As a Doflien student, and now teacher, every page turn has a duet for student and teacher. I loved playing the duets with my teacher and love playing them now with my students.
Also the Dont Op. 20 has a second violin part that the teacher can play.
Also use any piano accompaniments to root out a bass line or harmony. It can shore up pitch and tone at the same time
I don't think it's a bad idea, but it looks different at different levels. The other posters are recommending some good ideas for beginners. For more advanced students, you may have a chamber coach play in the group with the students, or a teacher select their most advanced students to play with them and a few colleagues, and in these cases, it can be any piece really.
I am really curious on this. One of my kid's teacher never play together, the current teacher play almost all the time. my kid's intonation is not good. Maybe at this situation the current teacher is better?
It depends on the attention span of the child, and the degree to which the child has prepared his or her lesson material. I started violin lessons very young. My mother told me that my actual "lesson" would be about 10-15 minutes and then my teacher would just play his violin for me the rest of the half-hour. Apparently a lot of Kreisler encores and the like. A lot of teachers will sight-read duets with a student if the student has come to a lesson badly unprepared -- no time to practice that week, etc.
Jason, I think it's perfectly fine to ask the teacher the benefits of playing with student. I wouldn't be surprised that if your kid has intonation problem, the teacher might try to help with that by playing together. He may also want to train your kid's ability to listen to others when playing. This is also a very important ability to build early on for playing in any chamber or orchestra setting down the road.
Thanks. I will look for another teacher. Seems playing same thing together with student all time is wrong.
i only ever found it helpful when my teacher played with me when i was a beginner. it helped to hear intonation and pitch but i think playing alone helps develop a stronger ear and a sense of style i guess.
I know a few teachers like this...they play and expect their students to copy everything.
As a beginner, I find this idea that playing along is bad, curious. Sometimes my teacher will play with me. Now she does not do this every lesson or during an entire lesson. But it is a tool she uses on occasion.
There are 4 ways a teacher and student can play a note:
I think I didn't say very in detail. The teacher always play solo together, not duet. When playing he will hear if my kid has good intonation. If not, he will stop, then point it out. Then play together again.
I don't mind a demonstration here and there but playing along all the time is not a good sign, IMHO. My daughter thinks her teacher does it to correct her rhythm but to me, it seems like a bandage solution. I would prefer if her teacher teaches specific missing or problematic skills rather than hope for the best that enough exposure (playing together) will eventually work its magic.
I think what Charles said is correct, this #2 method cause student lack confidence or constancy.
Maybe not all the time, but the occasional duet is a lot of fun, and gives the student incentive to get the intonation right. My viola teacher gave me a nice duo by Telemann - the hard part now is finding another violist to play it with.
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