Is this playable?
Hi all, Im new here. I am a composer and am wondering if the following passage is playable by both 1st and 2nd violins in a top professional orchestra. I see its going up into a really high position and am wondering if, at half = 90, if it can be done by top players.
Thanks for your help on this.
Yes. Those you have written aren't by any means the highest positions that orchestral violinists sometimes have to play.
Yes, this should be playable, but not super easy at that tempo. It really depends on the effect you are going for. In a section, it will sound kind of muddy, and you probably won't hear individual notes very well. It will be kind of hard to read given the way you have beamed the 16th notes, which would preferably be beamed four at a time in this situation. I also don't think the 8va is really necessary, as most violinists are used to seeing 5 ledger lines above the staff.
That looks trivial from a range perspective; that's a standard moderate violin range, not especially high. However, I'd strongly recommend that you write it out without the 8va. That's sitting in a range where violinists are accustomed to just seeing the notes written out.
I've seen and played things higher and faster; There is a spot in Gershwin, American in Paris, that comes to mind. Only use the 8va notation when the notes are consistently above 3 ledger lines. I have read somewhere that our speed limit for hearing is about 16 notes/second. Passages faster than that sound like a glissando or blur, and it annoys the players.
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Nobody is going to leap from 8th position on the G string to 7th position on the E string. We'd shift down in the scale and then shift back up for the next one. And it is going to sound like a blur. It would be much easier to read without the 8va.
yes its fine , XD oooh Mary getting mad . yeah 2nd violin audition piece Don Juan :/ always scary .
Don Juan is aleays nasty...
You're fine for professionals, but not for non-professionals. A conservatoire orchestra would be able to do it but the orchestra of a non-conservatoire university, or even a good amateur orchestra, would probably look to avoid that kind of writing for its second violin section.
Ever played any John Williams? Much of it is unplayable, unlike Don Juan, which is nasty but playable.
Agree with Scott, as usual. A pro. orchestra player will have a different program every week. I use a version of the triage concept. These spots I can sight read or pick up in rehearsal. Those spots I need to practice. Then this spot here is beyond me, no matter how much I practice, so let it go. jq
It depends. If those bars are the only part it is no problem for pros, a few minutes to practise. If you got 60 minutes of this stuff you need a dedicated orchestra.
I bet the video game industry can bankroll any orchestra to play anything : )
Scott put it very well as to the realities of the music biz.