Start with a Baroque violin or a Modern one?
I am a classical guitar teacher, now 38 age.I would like to start the violin but i am mostly fond in Baroque music and sound of gut strings , plus i am always eager for baroque techniques etc.
Should i start Baroque violin for a starter or go directly to the Modern one.Do i gain anything with the Baroque approach directly? Also a silly perhaps question but do i need a baroque violin to start on or i can just start with a baroque bow.
Well my opinion is that it could be hard to find a teacher for starters who teaches with baroque violins. Maybe it would be better to start with a modern one. Plus there was a reason violins evolved..
I have never heard of a beginner baroque violin teacher, or beginner baroque violin books. All the resources on baroque violin are aimed at people who are already advanced violinists. There are also no "beginner" Baroque instruments, the cheapest ones are in the $1000 mark - a big investment to make!
It can't be impossible. Before the modern bow,
Start with a "modern" violin and "modern" bow - both of which have been around for a long, long time. From there you can go anywhere once you are advanced enough. As to the bow, more than the violin, it was in a constant state of flux before Tourte.
Many people play with a modern instrument (tuned down to A-415), gut strings and a Baroque bow. Get a bow that curves out though - most cheap Chinese ones bow
If you find a teacher who plays on gut strings and baroque violin, why not? Follow your heart.
Many thanks all of you for your thoughts it really helps me to decide what is best or what is now.
Hello Stavros, I am teaching myself to play violin and I play almost exclusively from baroque sheet music. The period has a huge repertoire, from easy to very hard virtuosic. Once you have learned where to find the notes on the fingerboard, baroque music is a lot of fun to explore as a beginner violinist. For beginners, I especially recommend "Baroque Violin Anthology" (Books 1 & 2), edited by Walter Reiter. That stuff is about the easiest baroque I found, and what seemed hard at first became easy after a few months, after which I started buying sheet music by single composers, such as sonatas by Corelli (relatively easy) and Handel (harder).
Playing in the baroque style on a baroque instrument is a completely different experience. I joined a baroque ensemble in college and found it was a huge adjustment. Personally, I like a more modern setup and style (I just couldn't get use to not being allowed to vibrato, and I know, I know. You're not supposed to vibrato in baroque music). But it's really just a matter of preference and finding a teacher who is willing to teach beginning baroque. I think that will be your biggest challenge. Other than that, I agree that you should follow your heart.
Re: vibrato - I guess you (and the tutor) have not read your Geminiani.
Listen to Raphael - he is RIGHT!
Amen to what Raphael said. With a modern violin and bow, you can more or less approximate the Baroque approach (or what passes for it with the A-415 crowd) by using gut strings, holding the bow a bit further from the frog, sticking as much as possible to first position, using open strings, and limiting vibrato. You can also get a relatively inexpensive baroque bow instead of modifying your grip on a modern bow. You probably won't be totally authentic (whatever that means) but it will give you a good deal of the experience.
The $100 baroque bows are not authentic, they bow in rather than out, so they don't teach you anything. Buying a historical baroque transition violin is not that hard, I have sold quite a few around $1000-`1500. The two most important factors are gut strings and a proper baroque bow, the idea that you can just change the hold on your modern bow is not real science.
Nothing about HIP is real science either - mostly speculation. BTW if anyone is interested and gets the Strad, check out the Letter of the Month in the current issue.
Lyndon - I only said it approximated the baroque approach. You can certainly get a sense of what it is like to use a baroque bow by doing what I suggest, although it does not give the total experience. I agree with Raphael - with all due respect to the A-415 crowd including my late relative Wanda Landowska, there is a lot of speculation. And, I agree with Lyndon that the gut strings and baroque bow are probably the most solidly based aspects of HIP. The rest of it is subject to considerable discussion and probably regional diversity.
I said that the proper baroque bow and the gut strings are the most important, a proper baroque violin set up would be a close third, and no that is not all made up mumbo jumbo!! Baroque violins vary, but most of them have some similar characteristics, different from modern violin.
Modern start with a modern.
Modern start with a modern.
Sorry but that's not right, Baroque violins often have slightly shorter necks, usually set at less of an angle to the body which requires a wedged not flat fingerboard, they do have bass bars but usually lighter in dimension than modern, and yes you are right the fingerboards tend to be shorter, as to arching, higher arching is more common on older violins not flat arching, which is a more modern thing, even though Strad introduced a flatter arching than Amati.