New CITES regulations for Rosewood
i want to buy a set of Rosewood fitting for my Violin but unfortunately i wasn't able to find someone who accept and ship my order.
i got in touch with dealers from India-a handmade fittings producer in France and another one in the U.K
some didn't even response and some didn't accept.
i want to know how serious the restriction issues of rosewood are and is it me or the majority of string players through U.S and Europe are facing this problem while looking for Rosewood fitting for their instrument?
they said even if they accept and ship my order,there most be some kind of letter or certification beside of it.
1)can someone please explain how can i get such a thing and what is it about?(the assertion letter)
2)can you introduce a music shop or a dealer who have rosewood fittings available(U.S&Canada and EU to prefer)
3)should i say goodbye to Rosewood pegs?!
Ask Meyerfittings, Tempel or ErgoVio. Never encountered problems.
thanks a lot Marc.
Hansell Fine Fittings in the UK will made you a stunning set of pegs in rosewood and will post anywhere. They are not cheap but are, in my opinion, simply the best.
Hansell was missing in my list, you are right. Imo they are all very good.
thank you so much Carlo.
The restrictions on rosewood are pretty recently enacted, and you may find that suppliers who could provide rosewood fittings before can no longer do it. I've noticed that US suppliers are reducing their offerings, and I would guess that they are clearing out currently held inventory. You may indeed have to say goodbye to rosewood fittings.
Good Lord.... what will happen with all those guitars?! Rosewood has been used on so many of them that you wlll not be able to travel anymore.
Good Lord..... what will happen to this planet if we don't try to protect it? The trouble spot with rosewood is China, where they have a multi hundred years old tradition of producing elegant furniture for wealthy buyers from it. The nouveau riche Chinese class has created a huge modern demand for rosewood furniture, and the forests are being destroyed.
If you plan to ever take your instrument across borders, frankly I would say get rid of the rosewood. Otherwise, the safest way to do it would be to get a 'passport' for your instrument (it has a specific name I can't remember right now). Personal instruments are supposed to be covered by a 'Personal Effects Exemption', but without papers it is still at the discretion of the border authorities, and we've all heard how much these LooOoOoove musicians! ;P
AS a guitarist I was always slightly smug about my avoidance of Brazilian rosewood guitars and all the troubles inherent in travel with them....
I believe the new regulations apply to East India Rosewood as well.
That was the point! I simply delayed the inevitable troubles instead of managing to avoid them completely.
Wow, I don not realize that there is any regulation on the Rosewood fittings. I just received two beautiful set of rosewood violin fittings and one set of rosewood viola fittings from China and wanting to install them myself but now I do know any more. They came from China at around $20 per set including tail piece, 4 pegs, chin rest and end pin. If any one still interested there are a few sellers on eBay, just search for violin or viola fittings and you will find a few eBayers selling them at affordable prices. I am in Canada so there is no issues for China to ship them to me. USA I am not sure.
You are correct, Michael, this raises lots of questions!
Same with their "pernambuco".
thank you everyone for your inputs.
I think I need some papers...
I know it is unlikely to happen, but it would be a shame to loose my fittings xD
I'm as pro-environment as the next guy, but anything can go too far. As has been pointed out, furniture has made more of a dent in rosewood than violin fittings. And all of the paneling in the Metropolitan Opera is rosewood. Also how many musicians - let alone customs agents - are going to recognize the differences between and among different species of rosewood? At customs, they're more likely to want to err on the side of caution and confiscate anything that looks and quacks like rosewood - and confiscate if we're lucky. I've heard of whole bows that were DESTROYED by customs agents because they had ivory or tortoise frogs. Speaking of going too far, mastodon ivory is also on some forbidden lists! Mastodons are not endangered; they've been extinct for about 10,000 years!
Violins do not use enough wood to cause any problems. There should be blanket exemptions in these regulations for low volume musical instruments like violins. What in the world are we going to do without ebony? Have to get our fingerboards replaced every decade when they wear out? Ridiculous.
Mr.Klayman I'm completely agree with you that (anything can go too far.)
It's a very complicated problem. Unlike legends about legendary makers, violin/instrument makers don't go into the forest under moonlight and tap on trees and choose a single solitary tree that will give them the materials needed for years of instrument-making (you guys don't do that, right?). They buy from a supplier who bought from a supplier who bought from loggers that cut down ten-thousand trees that week! (I'm aware of the so-called
The problem is always, that the law cannot be enforced where the trees are cut / the animals killed so the only way to prevent rich people to pay poor in countrys with weak laws is to take it from them.
Mohammad, I hope you go through with that youtube channel. I'll keep an eye out for a post on it in the future ;)
Having just seen this very important Discussion, I know a bit about the Ban on ivory & less re the Rosewood, But, this all started when over 40 Countries w/ goodwill intentions had an international Conference of each Country's Minister of the Interior about 3 + years ago. When last in London to give 'by invitation only' Violin/Chamber Music/Solo Violin Rep master classes, I was met by Ben Heppner, newly elected President of the British Society of (I believe) Violin & Bow Makers? Perhaps Raphael Klayman can help me here if I've misidentified the organisation ~ Anyway, Ben did come 'round to my Hotel & we discussed the growing insanity of the results of the international Conference above. Due to serious threats to extinction of our Large Elephant Friends, all these Minister!s of the Interior, "guided" by their Heads of Government's, voted to ban any violin or other string instrument Bow's with Ivory upon entering Heathrow in London or JFK International airport in NYC, from major capital American cities or European cultural capital cities going into or leaving from the USA, if carrying Violin or other string instrument cases with, Yes, Bow's! It was madness w/ completely ignorant security personnel at major airports following their uninformed Government Head's Orders to rigorously check all traveller's carrying Bow's with the tiniest bits of Ivory (many good to fine bow's contain ivory) and the document adopted was to confiscate bow's with ivory. Informed of horrid incidents where airport customs not only confiscated violin bow's (2 great Bow's in one case ~ a Tourte and Voirin) which were broken in half by (forgive me) 'goons' breaking irreplaceable bow's in half or in more pieces to toss them into the nearest garbage can, a well respected person, upon flying from London to NY's JFK, was literally interrogated for over 3 + hours & when asked if the priceless fiddle he was carrying was from a certain country, he calmly answered, "No!" Agents insisted his violin Had to be French because the Bow's they were after were "Only Italian due to the wood there!" Agreeing with the custom's agent to salvage 2 great Tourte's in the case he managed to make an agreement to not stay longer than a few days & report back when he was flying back to London & to show the 'Italian bow's' which had to be Italian, according to them. X never disclosed what was done w/ 2 Tourte bow's, but said he reported back in good-willed faith & departed JFK with a del Gesu in tact! They were convinced it was French & not Italian ~
I wish I could live up to Elizabeth's confidence in me! (I will be coming out with a humorous blog soon that will either enhance my reputation as a humorist - or send me to the nut house!)
And just when I thought it was safe to go back out to play in my back yard!
Be careful switching pegs to ebony. That will the next wood banned. To be truly safe fit soulless plastic pegs, or take up the saxophone...
So far they haven't targeted boxwood - but that could be next as well.
Boxwood is not endangered in any way! But of course you have to get
I absolutely adore Massaranduba, bullet wood from Brazil. Beautiful and durable.
Lol hi I'm in France I'll look around :)
Bach. I found pernambuco, maple and snake wood fitting sowey
@Michael McGrath African Blackwood being added to CITES has affected quite a few pipers, a lot of us already had issues due to older pipes usually having Ivory mounts, but now even modern pipes are possibly going to be a problem.
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