Best Projecting Gut Violin Strings?
I am playing Bach E Major No.2 1042 with orchestra; and have never used gut strings before.
Which gut strings project the best over an orchestra?
I do not need a lesson on loudness vs projecting, just suggestions please!
Are you using a baroque violin and/or baroque bow? Is the orchestra using period instruments, or modern instruments? And are you tuning A=440 or A=415 (or some other period tuning)?
@Lydia Leong , A440 and a modern violin with a modern bow.
Given the modern set-ups: Will the other players be using gut? What are you trying to get out of using gut? Is it a notion of authenticity, or a particular sound?
Modern logic would be to recommend Passione Solo, but they would not be my choice. Any gut string that's decent will do the job.
How well they project will vary from one instrument to another -- and one player to another. I play daily on three fiddles, and I know from firsthand experience that a great string combo on one instrument can fall short on the others.
@Lydia Leong, Just for a nicer sound. And a nice, cool atmosphere. Would you recommend the Passione or passione solo?
Passione / Passione Solo is going to sound midway between gut and a synthetic, basically. To me, they are more synthetic-like than they are gut-like, but I find them to be a good compromise between the richness of gut, and the stability and feel of a synthetic. They're an easy switch from Evah Pirazzi Golds, for instance.
@lydia Leong thankyou very much. I appreciate your intel and knowledge.Are you a performer?
Click my name for a bio. :-)
I was playing in a concert last night, the programme being Verdi's "La Forza del Destino" Overture, Borodin's "Polovstian Dances" and Rimsky-Korsakov's Symphony No 2 the "Antar". I used my usual Chorda A and D (plain gut), Chorda silver wound gut G, and steel Obligato E. I've been using this gut set since December with no problems. They were in tune at the start of the concert, remained in tune throughout, and are still in tune today. I would normally have used the plain gut E, but the practicalities of the programme in today's concert environment dictated otherwise.
From the "They Don't Make 'Em like That Anymore" Dept.
Having looked at the recent violino thread (#2531), I wonder if the sudden demise of my gut E may be due to the nut-bridge length of the violin on which it was fitted. That violin is an 18th c copy of the long pattern Strad design, with a nut-bridge length of 331mm, whereas my Jay Haide, a standard size 14" violin, the n-b length is 325mm. Both violins have been set up by luthiers.
Sadly, experimentation may be in order. Among standard brands, Passione is a good choice, but there are many widths to choose from. I once tried the Passione Solo and found that, while they seemed to produce a little more volume, that they were more one-dimensional and harder to play.
Trevor, technically, the string tension, right from peg to tailpiece, depends only on the vibrating string section, provided the string slips easily over both nut and bridge as we bring it up to pitch.
Adrian, the tension of a vibrating string is proportional to:
Hi guys,I am quite sure you will not be neeed to play on gut strings soon. We have made an exciting discovery. I know, this is not place for any advertisement. When the project is ready, we will buy the banner and will communicate it by the official way here of course. Just to let you know in advance, that we are now able to achieve exactly the same sound timbre, playability as we as the feeling of the best quality gut strings with even more power. The tuning stability is just a bonus as usual with synthetic core strings.
Interesting Bohdan! How about the lifespan of those wonderstrings?
Much respect, but it is quite an undertaking.
Okay, I'm super curious. :-)
Adalberto, I am not sure we should go down with the tension and match exactly the same (low tension) of gut strings. There is no much sense to make any "substitution"for gut strings, since they have been still available. With full respect to gut strings sound quality and trying to avoid beeing bold, I would like to say that we aim to bring more than gut strings sound.
your post shows a lot of modern prejudices about gut strings, for instance gut strings are not lower tension than modern synthetics unless they are of insufficient diametre.
Does that mean you're making a higher-tension synthetic, or you've found a way to get a gut sound at the lower tensions of Warchal strings to date?
There is quite a large range between the common gut strings tension and so called "modern synthetics" tension. We are definitely going to roam within this range. We have never made any extremes.
@Bo, lifespan is on of the features we are constantly working on. We aim to deliver the highest level of quality in all parameters with the new set. Moreover, we try to educate the public how to protect strings and keep their original quality as long as possible, (our recently published articles about string maintenance and cleaning). Such articles may guide all string users, not only our customers in particular.
My gut string supplier, Damien Dlugolecki recommends very high string tension diametres for Gut strings, Higher than Evah Pirrazi for instance, when I order I order similar tension to Dominants, and that's what he would call medium or low tension for Gut, I don't know where you get your misinformation about Gut strings, perhaps you're thinking primarily of Pirastro Chordas, which tend to be lower tension than Synthetics and are largely behind the times in string technology.
Lyndon, you are speaking about "string tension diameters". I do not understand what do you mean. We are either speaking about tension or diameters. There is no correlation between diamater and tension, unless we would compare solid steel E strings or pure gut strings (always strictly within each group only of course).
i'm sure Mr Dlugolecki would supply you with tensions if you asked him.
Trevor, I was confusing nut and saddle! Silly me!
Mr. Warchal-all measurements are ok. I am doing it for convenience. I usually google a converter to translate your measurements in Newtons to Kp or lbs. Pirastro, Thomastik, and yourselves all have your favorite method. I used Kp as I am used to it. Lbs should be more "logical" for me but I am used to Pirastro's standard (for better or worse.) Newton is perfectly fine.
Call me "Bohdan" guys :-). I am a violin player as you are.
Adalberto even calls me a Mr.!