Legende, Wieniawski, Double Trills on Octaves?
Hello, all! Quick poll for the hive mind: how many of you actually do the double trills in the octave sections of the Legende? I'm mainly seeing just a trill on the bottom octave in recordings.
Maybe one day, but that was the one part of the piece I couldn't get.
Sorry, I'm not an advanced player and may be this question sounds stupid, but what do you mean exactly by double trills?
I think on the D's it is doable in 4th position, but the A's in first - not for me. My hand is too small. And the question is if anyone would be able to hear the difference. For me the audible difference would be that if I did the double trill it would sound difficult and that is not what you want.....
I think it's a parlor trick that was written into the music in an attempt to make the piece "hard" and therefore playable only by the top few. It's got nothing to do with musicality. If you want beautiful violin music to play, choose pieces that were written by pianists.
@Tim Ripond - yes exactly. "complicated from a hand perspective" is pretty much the case, though it is possible. See if you can find the Devil's Trill on youtube.... :)
The Devi's Trill actually has little double-trilling.
I agree that some people's hands are just too small to perform them comfortably but there is one thing you can try:
Dounis has a very nice way to put it: fingered octaves are "easier" than thirds in the sense of not having to think about open and close intervals. The important thing is a very relaxed hand, and getting the hand/mind used to the "stretch" so it never gets stressed with undue tension. No need to try to master them in one day, but I feel many musicians are often scared of this technical monster's appearance just based on its dreadful reputation. Only the smallest of hands/fingers should have trouble in the lower positions. I am sure many of you could do them with patient practice. Relax the hand, and have fun.
i don't see how it's possible for your second finger to come close to the fisrt finger if you streach your first finger back like Ryan Smith explained. I mean i know that this is what you have to do if you want to play decimes? (thats what an octave plus a terz is called in germany) or even bigger intervals
I did not have a violin handy when I replied to this thread so I replied in a very general fashion. While I was teaching today it popped into my head so I played around with fingered octave trills a bit.
Just to answer the "poll" I don't do the double trills when performing. I prefer the lower one. When practicing it depends on my mood.
Ryan you can put the video on YouTube and post the link here.
I'll try to get on that one of these days.
If he wrote it, play it. Fingered octave trills are really not difficult if you practice your fingered octaves daily. As Scott noted, they are in the Tartini/Kreisler Devil's Trill cadenza. In the last movement of the Bruch Concerto #1 there are octave trills on the bottom line of the 2nd to last page (at least in the Auer edition). It's a necessary technique to learn if you want to play virtuosic violin repertoire. Also, Heifetz's left hand pizzicato was spectacular - like everything else he did on the violin.
Yes, Heifetz's left hand pizz was amazing.