Using Bach S&p for warm up?!
The other day i was reviewing
Galamian's principles of violin playing&teaching
And i came to this paragraph when he says:
There is no necessity to have a set pattern for the sequence of practice material. (Scales-etudes-repertoire) there is no reason why this order shouldn't be modified and practice started with pieces and ended with scales as long as all of the work is done that should be accomplished...
Now my question is; when i read interviews with famous Violinists or i follow random musicians on instagram i see too many of them referring to Bach's S&P as a good warm up for beginning the day.i personally spend my first 2 parts of daily practice on stretches&warm ups and basical elements even before beginning to practice my scale and it effects the way i practice my scale. I have much better bow control and left hand frame and intonation become much better with less fault.long story short; I'll have a more beneficial practice session this way compared to just picking up my instrument and trying to play Presto in G minor.i want to know about different opinions.by this i mean your daily practice routine not orchestra rehearsals or practising with pianist.
1)do you directly move on to practice your repertoire(as James Ehnes said; i never practice scales and studies from books) without spending any time on scales-basics-etudes? Do you have a history of injury by doing this or it works well for you this way?
2)do you manage your time to work on both techniques and repertoire and if yes; how many percent of your daily time on which aspect? (Techniques or repertoire?)
3)are you agree with Mr.G about not having a set pattern for practice sequence?
P.S: it's Nowruz holidays in Iran so happy new year and wish you a beautiful spring; may all of us think about ourselves and become better human beings like how nature renewes itself.
One thing to keep in mind is that what works for someone like James Ehnes might not work for you. Hilary Hahn practices Bach S&P every day, but she's learned them all, a long time ago, very thoroughly, and she can play them in her sleep. I recommend you don't start with material that is at the edge of your skill horizon.
Bach, like the finest champagne, can be both aperitif and digestif. It is also delightful alone.
I warm up with Bach now and it is working well for me. I stay with movements in the E major and D minor partitas that I can play from memory.
Eid-eh Shoma Mobarak!
I will second Paul's comments. To them Bach's S&P's is like twinkles to me.
"Bach, like the finest champagne, can be both aperitif and digestif. It is also delightful alone."
You can use Bach sonatas & partitas for warm up, for the main part of your practice session, for testing instruments, checking new strings etc. Life is extremely short, so after opening the violin case, play whatever you feel like.
I don't see anything special about using Bach to warm up. I always found that playing in high positions warmed me up better anyway. Especially if you have to perform up there.
Pablo Casals would play some of the Bach Cello Suites every day, but then he practically re-discovered them. I'm just a mariachi fiddler, we leave our cases in the car, tune in the parking lot, and vocal warm-up is a shot of tequila. Last Saturday evening we played outside , in the cold, for 4 hours. :-) jq
Paul:thank you and you're right.
"David: when did you begin to work on Bach S&P for the first time? How much does it take for you to at least play those movements with what you call acceptable command under your belt?"
What is the purpose of warm-up procedure?
As others have mentioned the scale-etude-repertoire sequence, Bach could be before or after the etude, just to get things going and further relax your muscles.
Eric Won: "Bach, like the finest champagne, can be both aperitif and digestif. It is also delightful alone."
I am with Rocky on this. I use scales for warmup. For me, this is particularly necessary because I alternate between violin and vla, and I need the scales to get the spacing of the fingers back in the groove for the particular instrument. However, if you are going to play the S&Ps or the Cello Suites on vla, you want to be fully warmed up to do justice to them, IMHO.
My warm-up: First, basic left-hand finger exercises in 3rd position, then 1st, about 5 minutes -- e.g., Sevcik, Schradieck, Dancla -- to open up the hand. Next, vibrato exercises -- equal time on each finger -- to relax the hand.
Rocky:thank you for your input.
I like the G minor presto as a warm up. It has an etude quality.
Mohammad - there are aspects to the switch that are easy and aspects that are hard. Leaving aside the problem of the clef, which remains for many of us an issue even after playing both for some years, the technique for both instruments is deceptively similar. The finger spacing is somewhat greater on the vla, and the distance between the positions is also greater. The vla is larger and heavier. All of these things create issues for violinists like me who took up vla later. It takes a while to get reasonably comfortable on both.
"My father used to say: "Anything before Bach, is unnecessary. Everything after Bach, is superfluous"
One of the "doubles" played at a tempo you can easily manage would be a fine etude.
Jacques Thibaud used the E Major Preludio-- hence the opening movement of Ysaye's Sonata #2.
I often wonder if the particular Ysaye sonata is considered a sacrilege or disrespect by some.