Why does nobody like Bach Concerto No 1. in A minor Mvt 3?
A bunch of people at my school are just learning the Bach Concerto No 1 in A minor, mvt 3. A couple people played the 2nd movement, but nobody played the 3rd. I suppose the 3rd movement is less fancy and easier than the 1st movement, but even so, why has nobody played it so much?
Bach A min concerto, mvmnt 3. It's in 9/8 meter. If Bach were not a stay-at-home German, I would be tempted to call it an Irish Slip Jig.
"Nobody" and "everybody" are generally overstated. It's the FIRST time I hear "nobody" likes the 3rd mvmt., which is usually learned in order, and even quite fun to play.
I also think it is the hardest part of the concerto. So, Violin Kiddu, by all means, if you feel like it, go for that part and bring it convincingly!
I love the third movement! It's possible that people aren't learning it because it's harder than the first, which is often used as a pedagogical step for early intermediate students. Maybe, too, it's not in the Suzuki book with the first movement, and some students who learn Bach a minor are still doing Suzuki? Regardless, I agree--great conclusion to a terrific concerto. I find the second and third movements more enjoyable than the first, actually. (Similar to Bach Double)
It might be the RCM syndrome where the syllabus only asks for the Mvmt 1 and 2 of concertos, thus many would omit the 3rd, which takes out an entire chunk of technical studies (i.e. the Bruch)
This is the first I've heard that "nobody" likes the 3rd movement of Bach a minor. It's been my experience that more of my students prefer it than prefer the 1st. It's a lot of fun to play!
@Everyone yeah I like it a lot! But it seems to me a lot of people I know looked at it and was like, "Oh, triplets. Boring".
It's Bach, what's not to like? If it's "boring" maybe the fault lies with them. It is the music of God.
The third movement of A minor is just about the best there is! I vividly remember a snippet of it in an Itzhak Perlman documentary in the 1980s, the fast runs building to that massive dominant 7th chord at bar 89!!! If not actually the reason I started playing violin, it was certainly what made me want to keep playing! :) It made a real impression on me
Because of frame shifting and string crossing which should be something new for the students!
I'll bet people don't like it because they can't play the barriolage section in tune.
Some months ago I saw a great Baroque performance of this violin concerto on Youtube, performed by Enrico Onofri with Il Giardino Armonico. I made a note of the link at the time,
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I love the third movement. However, it seems like at the time one does the first and second movement, the third is quite a jump (at tempo it's definitely harder than the others) and doesn't makes sense necessarily to do next compared to some other pieces, and then later you only come back to it if you want to personally.
I find it harder than the first movement.
In Bach's time they would have been using a gut E which doesn't shriek. Perhaps the answer today, with synthetic strings, is to use a low-tension steel E?
The repeated quarter-eighth E's are a feature of the orchestral parts, but they should not stick out like a sore thumb.
"Less fancy and easier" isn't the reason. Harder ... significantly harder if played at a tempo that will give the piece it's jig feel ... is a more likely reason. The tricky bowings toward the bottom of the first page, shifts near the top of the second page, and the barriolage make this a tough piece. There is a reason this concerto is book 7, and the third movement is the reason.
Yes, I play it at rather high speed, if that's what you're all asking.
Joel Quivey pointed out a few days ago the metrical resemblance between the 3rd movement of the Bach A minor and the Irish slip jig, both in 9/8, and the problem in that metre in bringing out the first beat of the bar.
Are you kidding? It's actually a lot harder technically, rhythmically and musically than the first movement. Perhaps the reason is that their teachers didn't want to bother - it takes some work to truly get the rhythms, explain and execute the bariolage properly, etc. But it's a rockin' fun piece!
Another piece in the classical canon that really sounds like lively Irish music is the first movement of Vivaldi's chamber concerto in G, RV151 "Alla Rustica", a title that says it all. The 60-bar first movement is a Presto 9/8, the firsts and seconds playing in unison. It wouldn't be too difficult to make an arrangement which could pass as an Irish slip jig, and I think I may very well do that and try it out in a session sometime.
I love the third movement and even chose it as an audition piece for a local festival a few years ago. I really like how you can make it move forward with a fantastic rhythm.
Students not liking a piece usually equates to harder, not easier.