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Joseph Joachim Violin CompetitionViolinists: Celeste Golden and Simone Lamsma at Joseph Joachim Violin CompetitionFrom Elisabeth Streicher I found a page, where everybody can watch the Joseph Joachim Violin Competition live. It's very interesting and with the violinst Celeste Golden. http://www.violin-competition.de/en/violinwettbewerb/
From D Wright
Gave the archives a good listen, and the players I think have the best chance of placing high are:Posted on October 3, 2006 at 11:54 PM Nikita Borisoglebokiy Celeste Golden Jung Yoon Yang Simone Lamsma Eric Hui-Ti Wang Ryoko Yano My bets are on Nikita, Simone, and Ryoko. Those three seem to have what competition judges want, you know, that extra competition swing, ya dig, daddy-o. From Luis Pernalete
Thanks Elisabeth, amazing site (Paganini´s site was a disaster), my money in Celeste Golden.
Posted on October 4, 2006 at 01:39 AM From Nicholas Tavani
again, go Celeste! you are a simply wonderful artist who deserves this competition...
Posted on October 4, 2006 at 05:09 AM From parmeeta bhogal
Really nice site. Have you noticed there is an audience's prize? That will be interesting....
Posted on October 4, 2006 at 09:18 AM From parmeeta bhogal
Watching Celeste live now. She has started really well.Posted on October 4, 2006 at 03:41 PM Watch the competition diary too. It has interesting tit-bits, like the competitors can choose to stay with a host family (presumably musical friendly) provided by the organisers. That sounds nice, any other competition where that happens?? From D Wright
i look forward to the next round. you never know how everything will turn out when it comes to competitions.
Posted on October 4, 2006 at 04:38 PM From Terez Mertes
Wow, another competition - sending good luck to all involved! I'll be rooting for Celeste and Simone, as I really enjoyed their performances in the Indy competition. What a cool experience that was to watch online - echoing Luis's comments that the Paganini competition's website and online access was a bit... frustrating. Guess Indy is a tough act to follow.Posted on October 4, 2006 at 05:59 PM Thanks for posting the link, Elisabeth. From Luis Pernalete
Im so sorry, Terez, im a lot of frustrating too due my friend Alexis Cardenas, will play his last chance in the Paganini (he is 30), and i cant see one of my favorite, Yura Lee, i guess that to the paganini organizating comitee, broadcast transmition, was less important, besides Montreal, Indy and now Hannover, who make a amazing work.Posted on October 5, 2006 at 01:25 AM Joachim competition look pretty well but i guess that Celeste and Simone no played in the Indy level, but they are great players and the prize is really interesting. Best of luck. From parmeeta bhogal
Have a look at the competition diaries for octuber 4th. Three interesting moments for me in that reportPosted on October 5, 2006 at 12:19 PM 1)the look on the face of the competitor when his string broke and what he said about it afterwards (still in a voice of comeplete disbelief) 2)the girl in the dressing room whose tension you can "see" even through the internet; I remembered the times when Carla Leurs talked about nerves and tension in QE.. 3)Towards the end, they are talking about the commisioned piece and then someone (a girl in long dark purple dress-sorry don't know their names) plays this last part of the commissioned piece: goose-pimply!! So many of the others seemd to get lost at that point. From Kevin Huang
Like many other competitions that are named after great violinists of the past, I don't think the namesake of the competition would even be admitted into the competition pool, let alone get out of the first round!Posted on October 5, 2006 at 12:54 PM Still, nothing cracks me up more than the notion of the "Fritz Kreisler Competition". Of all people to name a competition after, Kreisler was the one guy whose playing and ethos was totally ANTI-competition. Since Kreisler was violently opposed to any sort of violin competitions, I'll bet that the poor man is turning over in his grave knowing that one of the most prestigious and competitive contests in the world bore his name on it. This reminds me of a literary conference discussing the work of Isaac Asimov when a man stood up in the audience and said "I'm Isaac Asimov and you've got it all wrong. That's not what I intended when I wrote that passage". Security guards were subsequently called in to usher Asimov out of the auditorium for causing a public ruckus! From Mitchell Pressman
Sort of like naming National Airport in Washington after Ronald Reagan when everyone knew Reagan hated Washington like the plague!
Posted on October 5, 2006 at 03:28 PM From Laura Yeh
Wow,Posted on October 5, 2006 at 04:15 PM Erin Schreiber is there. I knew her as a tiny little kid back when we were in the same Suzuki program. I didn't realize she was doing competitions now! -Laura From Terez Mertes
>Have a look at the competition diaries for octuber 4th. Three interesting moments for me in that report.Posted on October 5, 2006 at 10:06 PM I did - very cool to watch! I agree on the three interesting moments, as well, although I very much enjoyed the whole Oct 4th entry. The first (Oct 1?) entry wasn't quite as exciting - watched that one second. Although I LOVED watching the 2003 1st place winner (name?) perform the concerto at the end. Talk about goose-pimply. Wow, what onstage charisma! From parmeeta bhogal
Oh yes, Terez I forgot to mention that. He was so good wasn't he? Posted on October 6, 2006 at 08:11 AM Internet coverage is excellent and I like the idea about competiiton in the countryside and the classroom: great ideas! Its nice to have this backstage look, although it leaves me wanting for more... From Melanie Buch
The name of the 2003 winner is Nemanja Radulovic...He plays incredibly well.Have heard him several times here on some of our TV Chanels...I think I have never heard the final pages of Carmen being played so fast!
Posted on October 6, 2006 at 04:54 PM From Mattias Eklund
There are several very good violinist here, and several that should try again in a couple of years.Posted on October 6, 2006 at 04:59 PM My bet is that Celeste, Fanny and Simone will meet in the finals. Y-M Yanke impressed me at QE but she seemed a bit distracted here. I had never heard of Nikita Borisoglebskiy but he seems to have a lot of talents. Some violinist just annoyed me. Sini-Maaria Simonen is in many ways such a good violinist but she needs to look at a video of her playing. She seems almost ashamed of her playing! She looked the same at Sibelius so hey Finnish girl, you can play - Show it! My fav. so far is Fanny. She has maturity, varity of tone and communicates well. From Terez Mertes
>Its nice to have this backstage look, although it leaves me wanting for more...Posted on October 6, 2006 at 05:53 PM Agreed, Parmeeta! From Luis Pernalete
They are the Joachim´s semifinalist.Posted on October 6, 2006 at 06:17 PM Erin Keefe From P. A.G.
Has anyone else had a problem with the stream? I just can't seem to get both video and audio. If you have a suggestion as to how I might fix the problem, I'd love to hear it!
Posted on October 7, 2006 at 11:52 PM From Luis Pernalete
The best choice is windows media stream, quick time stream was a total disapointed in my PC, but WM work good.
Posted on October 8, 2006 at 12:58 AM From P. A.G.
My Quickstream is finally working, but very selective. Some will load and play, and others, just video, not audio. Does anyone else think that a contestant in international competition should have to be able to play a Beethoven Sonata from memory? I am surprised that some of them use music. In piano competitions, except for very obscure, new required works, they all have to play from memory. Why is the violin different?
Posted on October 8, 2006 at 01:41 AM From Luis Pernalete
In Indy competition recital phase was with music, concerts was from memory, i guess that competitors play from memory almost all, may be works with piano use music in special moments, piano competitors only play solo or with orchestra not with another instrument.
Posted on October 8, 2006 at 02:07 AM From P. A.G.
Luis - thank you for your input. My big question is this, I guess: In a violin competition, why should one be able to use music for a sonata?
Posted on October 8, 2006 at 02:26 AM From Keith Loke
A violin sonata is regarded as a chamber music work in which the violin and piano are of equal importance. Since the pianist, in most cases (especially so in competitions), is unlikely to have memorised the complete sonata, it is only respectful for the violinist to use music so as not to make things seem like a solo violin performance with accompaniment.
Posted on October 8, 2006 at 04:14 AM From Jude Ziliak
Also, the Beethoven and Mozart sonatas have lots of short rests and accompanimental figures that may be difficult to memorize for many people.
Posted on October 8, 2006 at 04:31 AM From Wayne Schafer
For anyone having difficulty with QuickTime video try the "low quality" option. Generally I have had good reception on QuickTime with some cutting out of both audio and video on "high quality" but excellent reception of both using "low quality".
Posted on October 8, 2006 at 01:02 PM From Stephen Brivati
Greetings,Posted on October 9, 2006 at 12:26 AM I think Keith's answer of why one can use the music for sonatas is probably the exact reasonign behind the position. From apurely personal perspective I disagree with this position. Equal partnership, sure, and very often the violin is definitley the lesser of of the two. However, i have no idea why it should be considered a slur on the idea of equality to play with music. On the contrary, I think it is -almost- universally true thta people play better without the music. (Don"t pick me up on this one- I know which great players use music) . When not using music one is utterly free to pay the maximum attention to the piano player, to make a perfetc partner. What could be more repsectful than that? Nor do I accept thta it is a memory issue. Flesch criticized players rather storngly who spent more time working on their showpieces and cocnertos and could not find the time to invest the same energy into equally great music. If the work is done most sonatas are a hell of a lot easier to memorize than the Prokofiev violin concerto. I recently attended a Hilary Hahn concert and one of the aspects of the show that marked her out as a superior artist was her decision to play from memory difficult works that I suspected she had not yet fully absorbed (except on a technical level) including an Enescu sonata. That showed integrity in my book. I wonder if part of the resistance stems from many violinists (including some of very high calibre) to actually studying the paino and the piano parts with real effort. I think it is actually far more disrespectrul to the pianist to have litlte idea what they are playing or how it fits into an artistic whole than not using music. Just my two cents, Cheers, Buri From parmeeta bhogal
The second part of the competition diary shows a very nervous moment of Celeste Golden (she doesn't look it on stage!); Erin Keefe comes across as this really nice person; Leticia talks about her reaction to coming 2nd in a competition earliar this year. Posted on October 10, 2006 at 08:10 AM That revived a certain memory, and though I hadn't made the connection before, a little searching on v.com brought to me that infamous thread by F. Fischer on the Kreisler competition. I was a good reread after having seen the Indy & now Hannover (BTW, classified by F in that thread as the "better" competitions). I don't know how they played in Vienna, but I really like Fanny C. in Hannover; she comes across as a really tasteful and elegant violinist. Anyone else following the competition diary? From Caroline Loeffler
Hi,i´m from Austria and new on this site. My violin teacher is the same as Fanny Clamagirands and I listened to her on the Kreisler Competition 2005.She really deserved to win 1st prize and leticia moreno made a huge scandal out of her second prize in front of Fanny and the judges. I hope Fanny will get into the final of the Joachim competition, she plays great and is a very friendly girl.
Posted on October 10, 2006 at 11:00 AM From Jim W. Miller
Dirty details of scandal please. All of it. Don't hold back anything.
Posted on October 10, 2006 at 11:04 AM From Luis Pernalete
Wow, both are in the semifinals, both played no so good in Mozart´s concerto phase and imho Fanny have some chance to wil get into the finals, Leticia i guess not, like Jim i want to know details about Kreisler´s scandal please.
Posted on October 10, 2006 at 11:13 AM From Melanie Buch
I also think that Fanny deserves a very good prize! I have been to some of her concerts here in France since she was young and find that she is an incredible violinist!Very simple and nice!I didn't know she was in Wien now...but heard that Leticia also studied with Vernikov once...I didn't know she made a scandal in the Kreisler competition, but from what I have seen on the Hannover videos, I found Fanny much better!Let's see, tonight the finalists should be annonced!!
Posted on October 10, 2006 at 11:34 AM From Caroline Loeffler
Hi,Posted on October 10, 2006 at 11:32 AM I don´t want to talk bad about Leticia, but she just couldn´t accept beiing second. She said some nasty things that i will not repeat here and she said these things on the stage (crying)(after the award presentation), that the jury has no idea of anything and so on. Also, she brought her dog on stage (after the award presentation)in the great hall of the Vienna Concerthouse, I mean ,thats really something. From Luis Pernalete
Some of "Spaniard Furious" from Leticia, but a dog in stage?
Posted on October 10, 2006 at 11:55 AM From Mattias Eklund
I agree that none of them delivered a particulary good Mozart, Celeste did on the other hand. Funny definitly won the recital part in my book, that Chausson was unforgettable!
Posted on October 10, 2006 at 12:14 PM From Luis Pernalete
I really enjoyed Wang´s Mozart VC 5 version, Celeste improved her Indy Vc 4 perfomance, i agree with Fanny´s recital was memorable and i only wait for Jaroslaw´s Mozart perfomance, he is a great player too.
Posted on October 10, 2006 at 03:34 PM From carlos tome
Luis,Posted on October 10, 2006 at 03:57 PM What means "Spaniard Furious" exactly? From Luis Pernalete
In spanish "Furia Española", means a hot temper in some Spain born, use mostly in sports like soccer.
Posted on October 10, 2006 at 04:51 PM From parmeeta bhogal
Welcome Caroline,Posted on October 10, 2006 at 06:14 PM I sort of guessed that the reaction might be on the lines described; and I have had no clue expect the body language of LMM on stage and her talks in the competition diary. I was a bit surprised at her comments about the 2nd prize in Wien (I thought people who watched and commented on that competition in the precious thread were unhappy even at her 2nd) and everyone on that thread seemed to agree that Fanny was by far superior there. From parmeeta bhogal
I think Zhijiong Wang is playing well too, imho.Posted on October 10, 2006 at 06:33 PM Suyoen Kim's Mozart has been well-recieved; and she's taken 3 bows. From Andrew Sords
Celeste, you sound wonderful as always :)
Posted on October 10, 2006 at 06:34 PM From Pieter Viljoen
I just watched Celeste Golden's Ysaye... it was hot.
Posted on October 10, 2006 at 06:46 PM From Jim W. Miller
Was she trying to make the dog bite people?
Posted on October 11, 2006 at 03:48 AM From Luis Pernalete
Is a really hard competition, imho only Celeste and Wang are in the finals but there are a solid group: Erin, Fanny, Artiom, Kim, Sigimura and Jaroslaw who deserves a place in.
Posted on October 10, 2006 at 06:46 PM From Luis Pernalete
Well, there are some surprises in the Joachim Final, Celeste Golden is out, Leticia too, but know nothing about the infamous dog now in Hannover.Posted on October 11, 2006 at 12:45 AM The finalist: Fanny Clamagirand, Nikita Borisoglebskiy, Zhijiong Wang, Suyoen Kim, Hyun-Su Shin and Kana Sugimura. A good field to the finals, sadly nobody know what concert they will play. My favorites are Wang, Fanny and Sugimura. From P. A.G.
Tried to watch and got snippets of Fanny C's Mozart Concerto. The opening few notes were totally off. Can someone explain how these judges determine who is 'in and out'. I think it has gotten so subjective and political, why would anyone want to even enter a competition?
Posted on October 11, 2006 at 01:37 AM From Jim W. Miller
If you click on Leticia's name there to see her picture, it looks like she holds the bow way up the stick. I'd like to see her play up close.
Posted on October 11, 2006 at 04:08 AM From Mattias Eklund
I can understand why Leticia is out. She had some very akward bodymovments and a very stiff right shoulder (you can even hear it when she shanges souning point to late). But that Celeste was out was a surprice for me.Posted on October 11, 2006 at 06:11 AM Nikitia plays very well and he might win in a few years. Right now I believe that he needs a few more colors and to dare more in his interpretations. Funny is a superb violinist but she plays a bit jerky at times and very angular frazings. Why? She only does it in a few pieces? If it wasn't for that this would be an easy win for her, nw I am not so sure... From parmeeta bhogal
I guess Celeste not being in the final is the surprise of this competition so far.Posted on October 11, 2006 at 04:57 PM Anyone know what they are playing for the final? As for LM, hopefully there was no scene this time. From D Wright
Celeste is out? What the...?
Posted on October 11, 2006 at 05:45 PM From parmeeta bhogal
Maybe only Yura can do b2b competitions and still convince juries. I thought Celeste played to her usual high level well myself; but I haven't seen her Mozart (yet)
Posted on October 12, 2006 at 09:13 AM From parmeeta bhogal
Listen to Celeste's and (others) articulate views about how they view Mozart in the Competition Diary of 11th October... Posted on October 12, 2006 at 09:23 AM As so many of them chose to play the Nº 4 they have done a clever mix where they switch from one to the other, so you can now compare... Also dedicated to WOMEN VIOLINISTS From Luis Pernalete
Wow, remember Montreal Competition? well another great performance with a restart memory slip. in this case Zhijiong Wang in a easy passage in Sibelius first movement, but she played a amazing Sibelius VC after that and the public support her a lot.Posted on October 12, 2006 at 07:25 PM Before, Fanny played a really good Brahms, with some tecnique detalis but her musicality is the best in this contest, bravo. From Julie C.
1 - Suyoen KimPosted on October 14, 2006 at 12:11 PM 2 - Huyun-Su Shin 3 - Kana Sugimura From Mattias Eklund
Well won over individuality.Posted on October 14, 2006 at 10:10 PM The results are not to suprising, since they are very good violinist, but I doubt that we will see much of them as solists in 10 years. From parmeeta bhogal
Anyone know who got the audience prize?
Posted on October 16, 2006 at 06:03 AM From Melanie Buch
no, it's not written on their homepage yet...didn't they also deliver special prizes?? Like for the best interpretation of that or that piece??What do you think of the results?
Posted on October 16, 2006 at 10:06 AM From parmeeta bhogal
Mattias,Posted on October 17, 2006 at 08:42 AM Do you know who won the audience prize? there's nothing in the website and nothing in the Hannover papers I could read. From Stephen Brivati
greetings,Posted on October 17, 2006 at 11:39 AM I belive it was the guy with th elarge carnation sitting in the third row. We know it was one of Mattias" relatives because he couldn't stop playign with his rubics cube, Cheers, Buri From Mattias Eklund
Audience prize, is that for the best audence?Posted on October 17, 2006 at 12:21 PM As you can see my cousin got the brains and I got the looks! From Frank-Michael Fischer
Hyun-Su Shin got the Audience Award.Posted on October 17, 2006 at 01:45 PM FMF From parmeeta bhogal
Thank you Frank. It was just the only prize that wasn't mentioned anywhere on the website.Posted on October 17, 2006 at 02:40 PM As it was apparently the first time it was being awarded, was just plain curiosity to see if it coincided in any way with the judges. From fanny mendelssohn
And anybody knows who won the 4th,5th and 6th prizes?
Posted on October 17, 2006 at 04:51 PM From Frank-Michael Fischer
There are no such prizes like 4.,5. and 6.Posted on October 17, 2006 at 07:20 PM From the website: 1st Prize: 30,000 € 2nd Prize: 20,000 € 3rd Prize: 10,000 € The first prize includes a CD production with NAXOS and the production of a „Winner’s DVD“. Debut recitals and concerts with internationally renowned orchestras and ensembles will be arranged for the laureates in cooperation with Personal Artist Management and the Konzertdirektion Schmid (Hannover). The Fritz Behrens Foundation (Hannover) will loan the first prize winner a Giovanni Battista Guadagnini violin (1765) for three years. The three remaining finalists will each be awarded 5,000 €. The semi-finalists will each be awarded a 1,000 € scholarship. For the first time, an Audience Prize of 1,000 Euros will be awarded. FMF From D Wright
I would have liked to see Celeste take 1st, but I guess you can't win'em all.Posted on October 17, 2006 at 07:32 PM I have my own opinions on competitions in general, but I refuse to badmouth anyone who wins. So congratulations to Suyoen Kim, Huyun-Su Shin, and Kana Sugimurathe! From Vince V.
Not to bad mouth Celeste but her left hand is often too crazy. I wouldn't mind seeing more control or at least more reservation so that when she does use vibrato, it's like sunshine in a dark mist of rain.Posted on January 13, 2007 at 12:59 PM Suyoen Kim really did deserve to win. I went through all her videos, and for such small freaking hands, she sure does play well. But what really amazed me was that almost a majority of her expression came from her bow. Amazing technique in that regard! There were points in her overall performances that like, touched a musical nerve where I said, "dang, this girl is so naturally musical". You can tell even if all of it was rehearsed, it didn't sound rehearsed at all. She didn't use too much rubato in Bach, her Mozart was a beautiful sketch, her Brahms was a soulful really, almost perfect rendition. And her Beethoven Sonata!, skillful and wonderful. If I had to add the points up, she won by a clear margin. Vince From al ku
what is the reason for wang zhijiong (or the conductor) to stop and restart the performance in the final round? tx
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