After 6.5 years of taking violin lesson as an adult starterLife in general: I can play Bach partita with pretty decent sound, I think :) comments?
From Reynard Hilman
I'm hoping I can play all (or maybe just my favorite) Bach solo work in the next 4 years :)
Any comments on this one? I know there were some intonation slips and I think I also need more vibrato when I can.
From Tom Bopexcellent! you've got great bowing technique- tone is right there, without sounding squashed or stifled, and the lines flow very nicely. The different "voices" are distinct with good phrasing and "space" around the lower notes that lets them bloom without disrupting rhythm. Just keep on doing whatever you've been doing to get here.
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 05:16 PM
From Emily HogstadFirst of all, great job! You should be a big inspiration to a lot of the adult starters on this forum!
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 05:24 PM
Standard disclaimers apply; I'm not a teacher; it's hard to tell some posture things because you're far away from the camera; I have not studied this piece; etc. Onward!
I have a different impression from Tom. I often feel and hear a tension when you play - a certain angularity to the sound. The chords often seem strained. They sound as if they're being pressed and pushed out rather than being released. It's very hard for me personally to tell what's causing this in a video, but more experienced teachers may be able to verbalize what I can't. One thing I see is that your bow elbow seems low and your hand seems to be applying pressure, instead of free easy weight resting from further up the arm. This might be causing some of the tension that I'm hearing. Do you ever have tension or injuries from playing? Are you feeling frustrated with your current instrument or bow? Did you tighten up for this performance in a public place?
I'd be very curious to hear you playing something like Scene de Ballet or a Mozart concerto or something along those lines - something with a lot of lyricism and singing lines. I'm guessing that your bow arm is your Achilles' heel. But this is true for 90% of us.
Congrats on posting! And I don't think it's unrealistic at all to expect you'll play much more Bach within the next four years! I'm working on the first Bach suite on viola and keep meaning to take a video, so feel free to lecture me about strained sounds and bow elbows once I get it up. ;)
From Vitalis ImVery nice use of bow. Lots of bow, nice sound, good projection.
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 05:56 PM
The only major complaint that I have is that, frequently, you're crushing the sound (usually at the frog during chord executions).
It sounds like you're applying pressure with the hand and forcing the bow against the strings rather than utilizing the muscles in the arm and upper back and letting the weight fall naturally (1:12, 1:16, 1:36, 1:44 are such instances of the sound being crushed).
Otherwise a really fantastic job. Kudos.
From Reynard HilmanThank you all for the comments.
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 03:20 AM
@emily, you're completely right about tension, I don't have injuries that require medical attention but I guess it's bad enough to cause discomfort on my back and neck. Thanks for the tips, I'll try to lift my elbow more and use the arm weight. And you're also right about my bow arm being my weakest point, my teacher has been saying the same thing, I just still need to figure out how to improve it. By the way this was at a public place but there was nobody around (at least not when I started recording), so I wasn't as tense as during my recital. I think I'm developing a hobby to find a public place and just play, and make a recording. it's kinda fun that way :) I'm looking forward to giving you lecture on your video too, I hope I catch it when you post it here :)
thanks for the tips @vitalis, I'll really have to practice the chords individually again.
From John CaddI love the acoustics in that space . Maybe we need a list of vacant public areas just like that to enjoy practise more. The music is well on it`s way . Good job.
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 02:36 PM
From Marsha WeaverReynard -- I'll have to wait until I can take my laptop to a Wi-Fi place (Starbucks!!!) so I can play your video. We're on dial-up -- have to wait too long for buffering pauses!!
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 03:31 PM
Aren't the acoustics GREAT in the lobby? I warmed up there once while waiting for the orchestra rehearsal room to be unlocked. Wanted to play there all day!! :)
Who are you studying with -- someone at the college? Judging from the comments about your video, it sounds like you've teamed up with a REALLY good teacher. Keep enjoying!!!
From tammuz kolenyoalso from a student, less advanced as well, very nicely done, really nice bow work.
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 05:39 PM
i think that you are at a stage where you have really decent control over the phrasing but i think it would be a pity if you don't work on the intonation, taking it apart because i think the piece would improve 100% and, given how nicely you're playing, you deserve to be even better. i think you understand the required intoning but perhaps just with special focus on that. really nicely done; there are few beginners' playing that i enjoyed and this one i did because it has hope for us adult beginners all and, more importantly for yourself, for you as well.
From Reynard Hilman@john, yeah even the acoustic outside the concert hall is really good, the concert hall itself has one of the best acoustic, I think comparable to Carnegie hall (I've never been there tho).
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 11:01 PM
here is more on the Sauder concert hall
thanks @marsha, I've been studying with Solomia Soroka for almost 4 years, before that I took lesson from the Community school of art. I feel so lucky to be able to study from her :)
From Reynard Hilman@tammuz, thanks for the encouragement. Nice to know another adult beginner. I hope I can encourage even more adults to give their shot at learning violin and be good violinists. And maybe someday I can share what I have gone through with learning violin as an adult, and teach other people. Just one of many goals I have in mind with learning the violin :)
Posted on June 5, 2012 at 11:32 PM
From John CaddHello Reynard. Can I ask you about the note at 1.12 ? I think technically it`s bang in tune in some situations but it seems to need to be a little bit sharper to work in that line. I have a recent bee in my bonnet that there is an "in tune " range within each note and none of them are out of tune but some work better pushed up or pushed down depending on the music. That`s one small problem with ultra automatic scales practise. Maybe the relative length of your fingers is the deciding factor .It will be within the barely noticeable range of intonation . Think of it like a temperament adjustment. See if that note effect works in the rest of that piece with that particular note .
Posted on June 6, 2012 at 09:30 AM
I think your public space playing is a very cool idea . Is cool an old fashioned word now ?
From Reynard HilmanHi John, yeah I guess I sounded a little flat on that chord on 1:12.
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 02:36 AM
I have an idea, we should have a public space playing contest and see who gets to play in the coolest public place. there could be winner for best acoustic public place, or public place that will likely to get you kicked out for playing without permission ... lol. that would be exciting :)
From John CaddThe ultimate kind of space was in an advert . The player , in a smart suit and an ancient Italian ruin . Deserted factories have a tasty feeling of size and space. Base jumpers appreciate those kind of ideas . How about caves ? They would make a nice al fresco sound . Maybe the deserted marble halls of an abandoned Bank .
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 11:15 AM
From Marsha WeaverI can think of a few churches I'd like to do sound checks in! :)
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 05:49 PM
From John CaddI find some of the notes written in this piece are dangerous. If they are played too loud they can sound distinctly ugly. It needs care to minimise them. A good instrument helps around those jutting rocks .
Posted on June 7, 2012 at 09:07 PM
From Reynard Hilmana cave would be really interesting place to play in. those places sounds like good ones for making music video, like I will ever do that :)
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 03:52 AM
also, a lot of Bach solo pieces are like that I guess. it's hard to make it sounds smooth and just right.
From John CaddI think caves are our natural environment. If you see any house hunting programs the Estate Agents always look up when they enter a room. It`s a primitive throwback to checking the cave roof before moving in . They want to make sure nothing will fall on the violin . We haven`t evolved all that far .
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 11:22 AM
From Lily MorrisJohn - my version on that is that I look up at the ceiling so that I don't look at my messy bedroom floor ;)
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 02:05 PM
From Patty WiegelmanGreat job, Reynard. As a fellow adult beginner, I think this was fantastic!! Great use of bow, great sound. I cant wait to be able to play like that!!
Posted on June 8, 2012 at 02:32 PM
From Reynard Hilmanjohn, I have to disagree, I don't think caves are my natural environment :)
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 05:57 AM
thanks Patty, I'm glad I can encourage other adult beginners too. I heard there is someone who started playing at 60, and was able to play Mendelssohn concerto by 80. so it's possible, and I hope I can do that sooner :)
From John CaddThe note at 1.12 is not what I would call flat though. I`ve heard Kreisler play notes that sound much flatter than that and many more players who don`t care how many sharp notes they play. It`s worth playing around to see how far notes can stretch in those important parts of the music. When you really start to listen to intonation on records you wonder if anything is properly in tune . Compare recordings back to back and it shows up more .But the musicality benefits from that .It`s very strange .
Posted on June 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM
From Reynard HilmanI've heard that sometimes people intentionally play some notes a little flat or sharp that adds to the musicality, and of course flat/sharp is relative to the well tempered tuning, and relative to the western music scales. I'm still developing my ears to notice the more subtle difference tho :)
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 03:30 AM
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