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Where to purchase Kreutzer's 42 Etudes?Life in general: What online store should I use to purchase Kreutzer's 42 Etudes for violin?From Rebecca Orlowski I need to purchase Kreutzer's 42 Etudes for violin. I see a number of shops online that carry this. Are they all the same? Are there different publishers? I usually purchase from Southwest Strings or Shar but they don't carry this product. Where did anyone get theirs? Thanks!
From Stephen Brivati
Posted on October 29, 2009 at 10:08 PM Greetings, I suppose Shar is out of stock? They carry many editions of this work as a rule. Its standard. I just checked. Shar has four versionsin stock. Go to the violin section and type in Kreutzer ;) You can just download it for free. I think IMSLP has it. The edition is only relatively importnat in my opiinion. However, the Flesh or Galamian version is fine. Cheers, Buri From Jonathan Frohnen
Posted on October 29, 2009 at 10:43 PM Vieuxtemps and Galamian are the best, Vieuxtemps was of course the first to have published all 42 studies rather than the 40...Galamian is more thorough and I think all his students used it...so I trust it! www.sheetmusicplus.com usually has everything. J From Rebecca Orlowski
Posted on October 29, 2009 at 11:44 PM How weird! When I went to Shar and typed in Kreutzer as a keyword, it gave me 4 viola books but no violin books. Ahem. Guess I could have looked further. Ok, so there are several versions. I will call my son's teacher and ask which he prefers. He didn't write which one and I didn't know to ask. As usual, thank-you for helping this pitiful soul. :-) From Larry Samuels
Posted on October 29, 2009 at 11:54 PM Rebecca, IMSLP has some old versions for download, no charge: http://imslp.org/wiki/Caprices_or_Etudes_%28Kreutzer,_Rodolphe%29 Larry Samuels PS: I'll see you at the recital! From Rebecca Orlowski
Posted on October 29, 2009 at 11:59 PM Hi Larry! So, you think these free downloads are ok for our teacher (given that he's your teacher, too? <g>) PS. I think my son won't be at the chamber recital afterall because the violist is unavailable that day. Too bad, too, because Old Country Fairy Tale is such a beautiful fiddle piece. (And we like to make H. squirm with having to listen to fiddle tunes!) Have fun for us, huh? :-) From Stephen Brivati
Posted on October 30, 2009 at 01:44 AM Greetings, those old editions are okay. However they can be a little opaque at times because of slight idoisynmcracies in notation etc. The David will be okay until you buy the Galamian ;) Couple of points. 1) Notice that no1 is a very slow study. This is highly demanding and it is debated whether this was the original first. For this reason some editons, especially those from Russia, have no 2 as no 1. So conversations between violnists can be at complete cross purposes at times..... 2) I forget which number but one of the best etude s(Mr Haslops fave for example) is not by Kreutzer. It is in A major and is greta for string crossing exercises. It was added slightly after the book was first published. Not sure who by but I don`t think it was Kreutzer. 3) If you don`t have it I reocmmed you buy Fischer`s Practice. It is a great book in so many ways but ha slots of pointers on the Kreutzer etudes. 4) Go to Buris studio and read my article son the etudes;) 5) The f major etude as by David avoidfs the fourth finger. This is at odds with modern technique which uses this study as a finger strengthener. It was a fave of Heifetz. Wieniawski also used this etude to warm up before cocnerts. A lot of teachers use this as a bwoing rather than left hand study, playing it at the heel for string crossing practice. 6) I am in soemthign of a minority these days but I think the Kreutzer etudes are introduce3d too early by many teacvhers (ditto Carl Flesch Scales). It is a question of interpretation of theb purpose of these ettudes. I believe they were intended as a handbook for -oprofessional violinists- to warm up and stay in shape rather than early reaching material. One example I cite in support of this is etude no 2. This is supposed to be a bowing study with minimal left hand difficlties. In act this particvlay key and hand pattern is very difficult for beginners ot get in tune, especially the third finger d. Even in some demonstration s on other well known websites the children are @playing out of tune and no quesitons are raised.... Also, a pro would typically use the son file bowing of etude no 1 (mmost etahcer sjust skip it) as daily work. in the past the Kreutzer was the handbook of pros into old age. Clayton Haslop, Szigeti, Heifetz, Wieniawski, Hugh Bean, Rose and s forth never stopped playing these and improvising around them even in thweir old age. (Clayton is not old;) In particular Szigeti linked the practice of of the e major shifting triplet etude to the technique reiqoed in many Mozart passages. That is an etude that never stops yielding rewards. Cheers, Buri
From Marc Mouries
Posted on October 30, 2009 at 03:48 AM Buri,
At what level would you recommend starting Kreutzer?
Same question, at what level are Fisher's books?
> 6)
From Stephen Brivati
Posted on October 30, 2009 at 04:07 AM Greetings, it`s interesting you use the word `level` rather than age. That is one of the factors that confuses things. The teaching/learning process has become so sophisticated these days that young kids achieve amazingly advanced techniques at a very young age. So why shouldn`t a 10 year old who can play Paginin Caprices play the Kreutzer;) As an illustration of this consider Bron`s appraoch. he introduces the Kreutzer rather early on although I am not sure when and does them all somewhat in rough. He then reintroduces them at a later stage and the whole book is repeated at a polished and arti\stic level. So I gues sthe rather banal answer is when the studnet is pretty much ready to play them without too much trouble. It is rather like scales. The scale is the end prodcduct so shoudl one really start ^-with the end product- or find ways of working into them? As a digression here is another demonstration, in my opinon of the advanced nature of Kreutzer. Flesch states that one should complete the first section (refrred to as the easy ones before the trills rather too often) and then do the Rode Caprices. Now Kogan held up the Rode as among the mos difficult and sophisticated etues around- all that is required ot play as an artist. Working backwards that presents a strong argument for the Kreutzer being pretty advanced material. Perhaps the problem is that teachers (especially in Japan) are becoming so Kreutzer obsessed that they are not teaching really good basics such as Kayser, Wolfarht, Mazas, and Dancla enough. Thes eare more than enough to achive a high level into early teens. Especially with the addition of Sevcik (which I don`t personally like much). The problem is also compounded by what I have found to be a breakthough in technical advance via Drew Lecher`s book which I am using more and more instead of etudes. The beauty of these works is that a technique is presented at a variety of levels within small chunks so one can tailor the technical very precisely to your own or a studnets needs. That is one of the problems with etudes- they are potentially rather wasteful. Once a probelm has been solved all one may be building is stamina and one can just as well get that from music which is actually more fun to practice. The other revolutionary book is Basics (and the sequel practice). The material from Basics cvan be filtwered through the teacher virtually from lesson one. Cheers, Buri From Paul Grant
Posted on October 30, 2009 at 06:25 AM Wow, Larry is on here too? Funny seeing how many San Diego musicians I run into here. Such a small world! Btw, how's Jesse's up bow staccato going?! From Rebecca Orlowski
Posted on October 30, 2009 at 06:01 PM Cough....the upbows, huh? Er, well, the rest of the piece sounds great but I think he and his teacher have agreed that it just won't happen before the recital so he won't be performing it with the upbows. He just has a slow arm/hand and I think this skill will take more years of practice. The good news is that he's only 15 so in 10 years, he should have it! LOL From Shana Johnson
Posted on November 6, 2009 at 03:39 PM I use Stanton's Sheet Music out of Columbus, Ohio. If not in stock, they will order it for you. www.stantons.com Always have had luck at this store! |
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