From Christopher Burndrett
Posted March 14, 2007 at 10:52 PM
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robertson and sons in albuquerque
j&a beare in dallas
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and see who is closest to you.
ps: Sean, are you in the appraisal business now?
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If you have a certificate for the bow already and just need an appraisal, any on the list in the area near you, should be fine.
I believe I am going to send it to Salchow. I spoke to Isaac Salchow the other day and he believes it would be worth while to package it up and ship it.
I cannot afford the certificate right now - especially if the appraisal reaches into the $10k range that I have been told is possible if not probable.
I have taken this bow to two shops here in Atlanta and each disagrees as far as the origin. One thought it to be french, the other agreed with Kenneth Warren and described it as "text-book English bow-making." I would love to hear your opinions.
I have a Dodd bow myself, and the pictures do look very simliar to mine, apart from the extreme tip of it.
Is yours a Thomas Dodd? I would love to see pictures if they are available!
Does this mean the appraisal fee is a percentage of the appraised value? I'm sorry, but this practice must be stopped. It's blatant conflict of interest. Why are we musicians tolerating it? Where is Elliot Spitzer when you need him?
on one hand, i would like to have one of those electronic scanners in home depot self check out counter that tells me immediately what the violin or bow is and is worth,,
on the other hand, if a he- says-she-says item all of sudden has a value of 50K backed by someone "universally" recognized, i don't mind paying 10%. may feel better if you think of the fee as insurance, something you pay to protect your interest, in a world that is yet ideal.
or, if i think i have a 50k item and the expert determines (accurately may i add) that it is worth 200 bucks, hey, i am saving some money!:)
you will find this sliding scale pretty much runs every facet in business... i know spitzer owns some small chunck of real estate in nyc and i bet he does not volunteer them to rent control.
Do you want a verbal appraisal, a written appraisal, or a certificate? These are different types of documents (and some dealers differentiate a marketing appraisal from an insurance appraisal). And they bear different charges.
None of the dealers I have dealt with use a sliding scale for appraisals of value; there are flat fees (sometimes at different value levels, sometimes not). At least some reputable dealers list these on their web site. On the other hand, with a certificate the appraiser is in effect reconstructing history, and stating it as fact, which may require much more expertise and research. Thus, it isn't surprising that the fee for a certificate is much greater, though whether it is fair to charge a percentage of value is another question (why isn't it?).
You say the bow has "papers from Kenneth Warren and Son" (that would actually be James Warren now). What sort of papers? If an appraisal, you can always have it updated, sometimes without re-examination, since in my experience appraisers keep detailed descriptions of their past appraisals permanently on file. If you have a certificate from him, Warren is a reliable source, why do you need another certificate?
Getting a certificate and getting an appraisal are two very distinct and different things.
Writing a certificate requires more time and expertise, and it becomes a passport (of authenticity) to the instrument making an appreciable difference.
Therefore, when experts charge a percentage for a certificate, that is not the same as charging an Appraisal Fee.
I have not heard of a percentage for an appraisal. Do let us know which one you are talking about. Be specific.
I am looking for another shop with the reputation of KW & Son to support the original paperwork (and possibly sell/trade in favor of complimenting my current violin.)
In addition, it is preferable to have papers from living apprasisers as "fresh eyes" can discount old paperwork rendering it controversial if not useless. (This has happened.)
Salchow charges 5% for a certificate and $50 for an insurance appraisal. KW & son wants $125 for an ins. appraisal and (if I recall correctly) 10% for a cert. I am concerned that they may have a biased opinion due to the paperwork I currently hold and a fresh, qualified opinion may be the best idea.
Thank you for your posts and I am interested in hearing your thoughts!
One thought: if you plan to consign the bow for sale, the shop selling it will also give you their opinion as to the value and authenticity of the bow, since they must decide how they are going to represent it to potential buyers. That alone may be enough for your needs.
Thank you for that suggestion - I hadn't considered that as an option.
I appreciate your reply. let me clarify - On seperate occasions, I had the bow rehaired at the local shops I had mentioned. While there, we just had friendly conversation about what their take on the bow was. Reginald Williams, from Williams Gengakki Violins offered his "French bow" opinion - unprompted. At the next rehair I went to Stephanie Voss, who feels it is, without a doubt, English.
I have Ken Warren's opinion on the bow, not Jim's, which is more motivation to acquire a "living opinion" mentioned in my previous reply.
I have nothing against KW & Son. I have no real experience with them other than over the phone. I did not mean to suggest any question of integrity. I do know of some who have had skeptical dealing with KW - but I don't know how any shop can avoid the occassional disgruntled customer.
It looks like the best option is to bite the bullet and get the cert or offer it for consignment at Salchow's or KW's shop.
Again, I appreciate your suggestions and experience - Thank you,
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