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I have an adult friend who plays cello, and she indeed finds it a pain in the booty Buri...

The bowing can be incredible to learn, says she.

I played the cello once as an adult. It was enough to convince me that I'm much better of with violin. My hand simply isn't that big.

I love watching cellists play though. Simply amazing. Violin is hard enough, I can't believe anyone would think cello was "easier". Though it would be nice to get to sit down all the time. ;-)

I also play cello on the side. It does work out the fourth finger ALOT, and your bow arm gets tired. I found that bowing on the cello is much more demanding than on viola. Such a strange angle to bow at! However, vibrato is 1000% easier. Shifting is easier as well. Intonation is challenging with the finger spacing.... Greetings,
I am frequently amazed by my colleagues power and use of fourth finger. But she routinely uses it as though she is not aware of the tonal advantages of using a third in expressive passages in higher positions. I often suggets she try this kind of violnistic (?) gfingering and she is usually surprise dby the difference,
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Buri Buri - sometimes it is just not practical to shift. However, playing cello a bit on the side HAS made me aware of how useful making these little shifts to use the 3rd finger rather than the 4th is as well :) Playing cello got me to using 2nd position much more often than I normally would. It's good that we can understand the problems our colleagues playing different instruments have that we do not and vice versa.
I used to know a professional tuba player with asthma. Buri,
I found it interesting last year learning to play a Dancla piece in the key of B flat. Stretching from the f on the e string to then play d on the a string took a while. It helped when the factory violin did, to my surprise, get broken in, and I could hear when I had reached the correct spot on the 'd' with (as I later learned were called) sympathetic vibrations. In the beginning, having been used to stretching from the f# I had to learn to make it a biiig stretch from f natural.

Same probs now with shifting around of course. And not getting back to the same place ....

Well something has to keep us occupied on this earth eh? :-)

Bernadette

Greetings,
Bernadette. That@s interesting. Keep in mind that the hand stretches backwards, not forwards. So for the interval you describe if one place the d first and expans the base knuckles forthe backward reach obne can train the hand to be bogge rwithout stretching in a stressful way. Everytime you feel you need to stretch up to a note practice setting it up from top down first and then keeping that `feel` in the hand play as written.
We are only on earth to love people (and play the violin);)
Cheers,
Buri Hi Buri,

" Keep in mind that the hand stretches backwards, not forwards"

This puzzled me somewhat - but I think I see what you mean. I'm not sure I see how to get there however. Play 'd' and then aim for f natural? Are you hinting at training the ear to hear the sounds, training the hand to stretch before trying them in reverse order? I actually had to play them b flat, f natural, d.

I'll have a go anyway. You always have a different take on things. That piece was for last summer's exam, but I still play it regularly so as not to forget it and it keeps on improving.

"We are only on earth to love people (and play the violin);)"
Agreed!!! Though I would also add love God as well. :)

Greetings,
Bernadette, the stretch thing is that one places the hand in the most comfortable position for the fourth finger. The fingers then stretch back a litlte from the base joints. An extreme exam-ple is playign a tenth. If you palce the first finger and reach for the fourth that is hard. If you plac ethe fourth and reach backward sfor the firts that is easy because the hand is stretching in its natural direction. So when you pracitce your little pattern first of all rearrange the order of notes so that your fourth finger is confortable. Then reahc back for the lower notes. Pracitce that until you have the `feeling` that the hand is centered around the upper fingers but play it as written. There is a big difference. This approach is importnat even in practice where there is no apparent stretch such as thirds. Typically they are practiced with the hand anchore don the first finger but it is actually more useful to wexperiment with this feeling of reaching back before placing them in the regualr way.
Cheers,
Buri