From Jim W. Miller Posted from 172.133.207.126 on October 10, 2007 at 9:21 AM (GMT)
"Any seasoned Alaskan will tell you, winter must be embraced with the same enthusiasm as summer, or you’ll eventually crack."
This sounds like the kind of thing Alaskans mumble to themselves in winter after they've cracked :)
From Karen Allendoerfer Posted from 71.126.240.119 on October 10, 2007 at 10:37 AM (GMT)
This is so well-written and vivid. After living in CA for 10 years and then moving to Boston, that's how I've been feeling about the Boston winters: embrace it or die.
From Jim W. Miller Posted from 172.133.207.126 on October 10, 2007 at 11:15 AM (GMT)
The first draft was exciting. Now it's mired up in details nobody cares about. Seriously. Nobody wants to read lists that include gps and north face downy vests. The orange box is just a tiny detail now. Now you're really lost!
From Tom Holzman Posted from 167.176.6.8 on October 10, 2007 at 12:48 PM (GMT)
Glad you finally found your way down. I sense that many of the kinds of feelings you had as you tried to find your way are feelings that we all have in other contexts as we have adventures and take risks, even risks for which we think we are prepared.
From Neil Cameron Posted from 74.115.184.112 on October 10, 2007 at 12:59 PM (GMT)
One of the reasons I moved from California to Ottawa was that I wanted to live somewhere where it snowed. I loved last winter, except there wasn't enough snow!
Neil
From Neil Cameron Posted from 74.115.184.112 on October 10, 2007 at 1:01 PM (GMT)
From Jim W. Miller ...Nobody wants to read lists that include gps and north face downy vests...
I do. :)
Neil
From Jim W. Miller Posted from 172.133.207.126 on October 10, 2007 at 1:31 PM (GMT)
Ok, you do :)
But compare the power of the original: "At least I had a good reason for missing it: lost on mountain peak in blizzard. How did this happen to me?"
to the final version: "At least I had a good reason for missing it: lost on mountain peak in blizzard. Ha. This is ridiculous. How did this happen to me?"
I just don't get it. I'm actually mad she changed it :) The original version was 1/3 as long and one of the most powerful things I ever read. Karen, back me up.
From E. Smith Posted from 70.20.161.8 on October 10, 2007 at 3:54 PM (GMT)
I didn't see the original, although is general less is more. Emily is a gifted writer and she has a way of coming at stuff from unexpected perspectives. This is a wonderful essay, but it may have been even more powerful in the first draft. (Which, I expect was not really the "first" draft.)
From Karen Allendoerfer Posted from 18.4.1.76 on October 10, 2007 at 4:11 PM (GMT)
I'm not sure I saw the first draft either, but Jim, I agree with the comparison you made. I think the sentence is more powerful without spelling out that the author thinks "it's ridiculous."
This piece reminded me of a type of article published in "Field and Stream" magazine. This month's was about two guys whose fishing boat flooded and capsized, and who were adrift at sea for more than a day before one of them was able to swim to an oil rig. They were pulled away from rigs twice by rip currents and the search helicopters missed them by 20 feet. Very exciting. And told in a "less is more" style.
On the other hand, this is a blog, and I think the author can and should be able to editorialize all she wants in a blog.
From Emily Grossman Posted from 66.230.113.103 on October 10, 2007 at 5:51 PM (GMT)
I'm kinda sick now, trying to finish my yogurt while reading these comments, because there never existed a "first draft". My last minor edit happened at 9:02 according to the record, and Jim's first comment was published at 9:21. His second was published after 11:00. Between those two times, nothing changed. I never changed the list of supplies, nor the "ridiculous" interjection. That's the way it originally came out of my head.
I'm sad that my nonexisting first draft was so much better!
From Tom Holzman Posted from 167.176.6.8 on October 10, 2007 at 6:01 PM (GMT)
How wierd! Well, the moral of the story is be sure not to edit anything you write on this site. And, we cannot be sure that Joachim's ghost did not show up and edit your piece.
From E. Smith Posted from 70.20.161.8 on October 10, 2007 at 6:07 PM (GMT)
Jim has these problems with imaginary literary conventions. Anyway, it's a gripping essay and I'm glad you're okay!
From Jim W. Miller Posted from 172.133.207.126 on October 10, 2007 at 6:51 PM (GMT)
My apologies to all. John Henry died and it's pushed me over the edge and I'm imagining things and no longer responsible for my actions.
P.S. Imaginary literary conventions, and imaginary terms some people should know! :)
From Charles Bott Posted from 72.194.97.138 on October 10, 2007 at 7:03 PM (GMT)
Emily, thanks for your wonderful prose. I'm leaving for Anchorage this Sunday 10/14 and will keep some of your thoughts as I go from 80 degree weather in Southern California to the temp in Anchorage which seems to be in the mid-20's. But you do live in a very beautiful place in both summer and winter. Keep smiling!! Charles Bott
From Pauline Lerner Posted from 70.108.139.225 on October 10, 2007 at 8:26 PM (GMT)
Emily, I think you're addicted to adrenalin surges. I'm glad you remained calm and got down safely and in time for the concert.
From Emily Grossman Posted from 66.230.113.103 on October 10, 2007 at 9:07 PM (GMT)
There. How do you like that?
From Jim W. Miller Posted from 172.133.207.126 on October 11, 2007 at 3:44 AM (GMT)
It's never been better!
From Emily Grossman Posted from 66.230.113.103 on October 11, 2007 at 4:17 AM (GMT)
Oh, but I'm not done yet!
From Jim W. Miller Posted from 172.133.207.126 on October 11, 2007 at 4:29 AM (GMT)
Vonnegut said get rid of every unnecessary word, no matter how much you like that word. I go so far as to replace a three word phrase with a two word phrase that means the same thing, if I notice one. If you want, you can be as bland as him and me :)
From Emily Grossman Posted from 66.230.113.103 on October 11, 2007 at 4:53 AM (GMT)
You mean, not even keep a blog?
From Jim W. Miller Posted from 172.133.207.126 on October 11, 2007 at 5:10 AM (GMT)
The difference between you and most people is most people would either ignore me or delete the blog to try to make me feel like a jerk. You don't do either, therefore you're special and so I want to read your tales of the North, with you bustin whatever kind of prose you choose.
From Emily Grossman Posted from 66.230.113.103 on October 11, 2007 at 5:38 AM (GMT)
I don't know what my thoughts are really worth, but sometimes I feel like I'm not done with something, and I need to hone it until it says what I mean.
Every one of my drawings came to an awkward stage where I felt despair over how it wasn't what I wanted. Usually, the answer was to push it until it got there, however long it took, and not to give up on it.
This method usually works, as long as I've got a good idea to begin with. Every once in a while, the project should just be abandoned all together, but this is rare if I only pursue subjects that came about by their own inspiration.
From janet griffiths Posted from 82.61.174.44 on October 11, 2007 at 5:34 AM (GMT)
I've always said the best way to overcome stage fright is to dangle off mountains.I was once in a blizzard on Vioz in the Dolomites only it wasn't winter it was July .Fortunately we all had snow gear and made it to the Rifugio at the top where we spent the night.The following morning had to dig ourselves out but were greeted by the most wonderful panorama.The trip down was worse than the trip up for although the weather was now sunny it was impossible to see the trails and it was ice.Fortunately someone has some picks and we decended a sheer face roped together.I shall never forget my joy when four hours later we got below the snow line and the experience changed my life forever (I've now become an aggresive snarling bitch instead of the sweet timid person I was before)
From Jim W. Miller Posted from 172.133.207.126 on October 11, 2007 at 6:03 AM (GMT)
Emily, the things Roy said in the other blog stuck with me. He's in a position to have had this conversation with a lot of prominent people, or otherwise know their thoughts on the subject. The other night I listened to a recording of the Chaconne by a prominent soloist. It was in tune and all, but if it was mine, I would "despair" about it as you put it. As far as I was concerned the phrasing was messed up; none there really is more like it. Maybe the best that can be hoped for is an approximation of what you'd like, combined with technical brilliance (which is something that's achievable) so no one can point a finger at that part of it. Examine other peoples' work some from the perspective of what you'd change about it, maybe.
Janet, I took up skydiving for that reason; to become fearless. I got up to a few solo jumps and quit before I broke something (a valid fear). The effect wears off after a few years, but until then I was ready to kill lions bare handed :)
From Laurie Niles Posted from 75.4.241.24 on October 11, 2007 at 6:32 AM (GMT)
Emily,
Everybody loves your blogs, I know, I am the Keeper of V.com Stats. :) And I do, too. So thank you for another great one. I, for one, was riveted.
Stay safe, girl!
Laurie :)
From Emily Grossman Posted from 66.230.113.103 on October 11, 2007 at 7:39 AM (GMT)
So Laurie, my question now is, did you read the first edition or the second? Or third... :)
From Laurie Niles Posted from 75.4.241.24 on October 11, 2007 at 6:23 PM (GMT)
I have no idea! I'm the same way, though, I edit my stuff a million times and often come back to it if I decide something isn't right.
From Yixi Zhang Posted from 24.69.96.231 on October 12, 2007 at 3:26 AM (GMT)
“I edit my stuff a million times and often come back to it if I decide something isn't right.” That sounds like me, but I’m an ESL kid so this is what I’m supposed to live with. I also find my writing tend to be over-edited sometimes -- too concise to the point of being dry. Your writing, Emily, I enjoy reading it very much and I enjoy learning from it even more. Thanks for sharing it with us.
From Emily Grossman Posted from 66.230.113.103 on October 12, 2007 at 8:20 AM (GMT)
Hi Yixi, thanks! I always like reading what you write.
From Pauline Lerner Posted from 70.108.139.225 on October 13, 2007 at 12:17 AM (GMT)
Janet, there is something quite symbolic in the way you descended the sheer drop -- roped together. We are all connected to and dependent on each other in some ways.
Comments
Posted from 172.133.207.126 on October 10, 2007 at 9:21 AM (GMT)
This sounds like the kind of thing Alaskans mumble to themselves in winter after they've cracked :)
Posted from 71.126.240.119 on October 10, 2007 at 10:37 AM (GMT)
Posted from 172.133.207.126 on October 10, 2007 at 11:15 AM (GMT)
Posted from 167.176.6.8 on October 10, 2007 at 12:48 PM (GMT)
Posted from 74.115.184.112 on October 10, 2007 at 12:59 PM (GMT)
Neil
Posted from 74.115.184.112 on October 10, 2007 at 1:01 PM (GMT)
...Nobody wants to read lists that include gps and north face downy vests...
I do. :)
Neil
Posted from 172.133.207.126 on October 10, 2007 at 1:31 PM (GMT)
But compare the power of the original:
"At least I had a good reason for missing it: lost on mountain peak in blizzard. How did this happen to me?"
to the final version:
"At least I had a good reason for missing it: lost on mountain peak in blizzard. Ha. This is ridiculous. How did this happen to me?"
I just don't get it. I'm actually mad she changed it :) The original version was 1/3 as long and one of the most powerful things I ever read. Karen, back me up.
Posted from 70.20.161.8 on October 10, 2007 at 3:54 PM (GMT)
Posted from 18.4.1.76 on October 10, 2007 at 4:11 PM (GMT)
This piece reminded me of a type of article published in "Field and Stream" magazine. This month's was about two guys whose fishing boat flooded and capsized, and who were adrift at sea for more than a day before one of them was able to swim to an oil rig. They were pulled away from rigs twice by rip currents and the search helicopters missed them by 20 feet. Very exciting. And told in a "less is more" style.
On the other hand, this is a blog, and I think the author can and should be able to editorialize all she wants in a blog.
Posted from 66.230.113.103 on October 10, 2007 at 5:51 PM (GMT)
I'm sad that my nonexisting first draft was so much better!
Posted from 167.176.6.8 on October 10, 2007 at 6:01 PM (GMT)
Posted from 70.20.161.8 on October 10, 2007 at 6:07 PM (GMT)
Posted from 172.133.207.126 on October 10, 2007 at 6:51 PM (GMT)
P.S. Imaginary literary conventions, and imaginary terms some people should know!
:)
Posted from 72.194.97.138 on October 10, 2007 at 7:03 PM (GMT)
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Posted from 66.230.113.103 on October 11, 2007 at 5:38 AM (GMT)
Every one of my drawings came to an awkward stage where I felt despair over how it wasn't what I wanted. Usually, the answer was to push it until it got there, however long it took, and not to give up on it.
This method usually works, as long as I've got a good idea to begin with. Every once in a while, the project should just be abandoned all together, but this is rare if I only pursue subjects that came about by their own inspiration.
Posted from 82.61.174.44 on October 11, 2007 at 5:34 AM (GMT)
Posted from 172.133.207.126 on October 11, 2007 at 6:03 AM (GMT)
Janet, I took up skydiving for that reason; to become fearless. I got up to a few solo jumps and quit before I broke something (a valid fear). The effect wears off after a few years, but until then I was ready to kill lions bare handed :)
Posted from 75.4.241.24 on October 11, 2007 at 6:32 AM (GMT)
Everybody loves your blogs, I know, I am the Keeper of V.com Stats. :) And I do, too. So thank you for another great one. I, for one, was riveted.
Stay safe, girl!
Laurie :)
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Posted from 24.69.96.231 on October 12, 2007 at 3:26 AM (GMT)
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